paulk Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeX0MDN_6s Edited June 11, 2023 by paulk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafgath Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Now that they've finally started releasing good add-ons, they're announcing a new simulator and the whole story begins again. For now, I'm holding off on purchasing any additional add-ons until it becomes clear if they will be available and how they will work in the new simulator. The ones I have are more than sufficient for me 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulk Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 I hope this doesn’t mean updates etc will stop with MSFS 2020. Early days yet but exciting times ahead. Think I need a new PC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Emms Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Watching the trailer there is nowt for me in it so far as time goes on more things will be shown. 2020 I don't think has reached its potential yet and I don't know what will happen to this and will your add ons work in the new sim a lot of questions to be answered as we move along we will have to wait and see. Now then if the trailer is all its going to be just a collection of different pilot jobs it might only be an add on remember FSX and Acceleration back in the day we will have to wait and see. After spending a lot of money on premium I don't like to think After the short time it's been out it will be finished and 2024 take over and we have to start all over again but let's wait and see this is just my personal view on this subject. cheers Iain 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazkul Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Iain Emms said: Watching the trailer there is nowt for me in it so far as time goes on more things will be shown. 2020 I don't think has reached its potential yet and I don't know what will happen to this and will your add ons work in the new sim a lot of questions to be answered as we move along we will have to wait and see. Now then if the trailer is all its going to be just a collection of different pilot jobs it might only be an add on remember FSX and Acceleration back in the day we will have to wait and see. After spending a lot of money on premium I don't like to think After the short time it's been out it will be finished and 2024 take over and we have to start all over again but let's wait and see this is just my personal view on this subject. cheers Iain They are describing it as a sequel, not an expansion Edited June 11, 2023 by Drazkul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2DR Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just another reason for me to stick to FSX/P3D............. 3 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mac Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Until MS really clarify what’s coming it’s just marketing hype. It looks like an addon but maybe not free! There’s a lot to fix in its current iteration which we were lead to believe came with 10 years of support/development. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Abernathy Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Only thing I found to be really impressive was the spray effect behind the Ag aircraft, but hey, you never know. And it's fun to see new stuff coming along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 For me, I'll be sticking with what I have, 2020, at my age I have no intention of spending more money on another sim, saving up for a massive funeral bash 😂😂 Don 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Pettichord Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 And then Lockheed Martin comes along with a new P3D that blows Microsoft out of the water. BWAHAAHAAHAA.🙃 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer2022 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) Looking at all the footage from the trailer I was nothing but blown out by all of the amazing content.. but now I am just don't know anymore what I was really looking at. If this is going to be a new game the only way I could accept it if the MSFS will be discontinued all together and ASOBO will make sure that all of our addons are compatible with the new Sim. That will be somehow of a bitter-sweet outcome, because as good as they can try, the things will break, and that's for sure. Of course, the FS24 should also be given for free for all of their previous customers. The best outcome for me would be this being a new DLC, with the things like the new environment engine being a free upgrade for everyone and additional content will be a paid upgrade. So, FS24 might be just a rebrand of FS2020 kinda like GOTY was. Now the worst outcome.. FS24 is a brand new game, the team split between the two Sims. One suffers from aging graphics, lacks of support and development and content while other getting milked to its fullest. Your only optional is to own two games that are sharing GB's of the exactly same data - just under the different engine. At this point the whole MSFS is like an Apple, everything looks neat and nicely designed but you need separate Sims if you want to enjoy different things, instead of the base Sim being a sandbox and meeting point for all the different kinds of Simmers. R.I.P. The "One sky" philosophy as well.. Fingers crossed the 3rd option wont came to be the reality. 😷 Edited June 11, 2023 by Flyer2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermothpilot Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) I wonder what this announcement has meant to the makers of addons? Is it stop all current development until they know what's required, or have they already received advice regarding compatibility? If it looks good, I'll probably buy it, but we all know that we don't just stop at buying the sim. I reckon I could have bought a business-class airfare from Australia to Europe and return for all the scenery and aircraft I've bought. Well, maybe not, but you know what I'm saying! Will there be a discount for owners of MSFS 2020? Oh well, let the information drip feed commence! Edited June 11, 2023 by tigermothpilot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Now this is a pleasant surprise. Looks like exiting times are ahead of us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Harmes Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Looks pretty cool, but considering the minute amount of flight simming I've done over the past couple of years, I think I'll hold off for MSFS 2028 😅. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Q Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Rodger Pettichord said: And then Lockheed Martin comes along with a new P3D that blows Microsoft out of the water. BWAHAAHAAHAA.🙃 I sure hope so!!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuFun Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Will Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 be a completely standalone sequel, or will it also be offered as a paid update for existing players? Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is a standalone simulator and the next-generation sequel to Microsoft Flight Simulator that launched in 2020. Current aircraft and airports that are in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), as well as virtually all Marketplace add-ons, will be supported in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. What kind of support can Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) players expect to see once Flight Simulator 2024 has been released? We will continue to deliver our Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) Roadmap which has content ranging from Aircraft and Avionics Updates, Sim Updates, City and World Updates, and also the free Dune DLC. We will continue to support Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) post the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 launch. Will all purchases users have made from the Marketplace be transferrable to the new simulator? With very few exceptions, virtually all add-ons that work in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) today will function in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Add-ons that were purchased from the in-simulator Marketplace will not need to be re-purchased in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. https://www.flightsimulator.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-faq/ 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilot100 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Interesting, same model as Windows 10 to 11, in which case at some point users will need to migrate but not immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Well this was a bit of a surprise, seems early to, I thought something like this would have been announced at the Expo. I am wondering if it's a bit like how train SIM appears to be updated regularly and sometimes previous owners get a free core update. Hopefully over the next few weeks we'll get more information and have a better idea of how the future is going to pan out. Problem or concerns I have is if you stuck with 2020 but you could only use offline mode, then you would need to update. Exciting times maybe ahead but we need a clearer picture for sure, also it seems to have surprised a lot of developers too. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 just read a small FAQ that has been released, they say all addons 'SHOULD' work with '24, that's just a standard phrase we always hear, however what stands out more to me is the fact that anything bought from Marketplace will not have to be bought again, that's interesting, are they trying to push more for us to use this form of purchase? we shall see......be nice to get more info but maybe Expo will be full of big announcements..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigeaglefire Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 because MSFS has been such a success, I understand why they are leveraging it in the Xbox/GamePass showcase arena, the very recent FAQ update has helped clarify things, none of us would like wasted $investment into MSFS of the past few years… would be happy to $‘update’ to an enhanced base simulator engine that would fund a better experience with the latest technology - whilst retaining a great deal of backward compatibility… VR enhancements would also be most welcome 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbdbow1970 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rodger Pettichord said: And then Lockheed Martin comes along with a new P3D that blows Microsoft out of the water. BWAHAAHAAHAA.🙃 Comical statement here. Maybe in 2040 Then the 5 P3D users left will rejoice. Edited June 12, 2023 by jbdbow1970 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 DeJa'Vu !! - all the above reminds me of all the suppositions that came out in June 2020 - 3rd party blokes would go broke - what about our Orbx investments in P3D (who?) - can't trust Microsoft!! - speculation galore What bit I saw of this video -just seems to expand some of the latest Recue /Firefighting aspects of the current sim - based on the new Helicopter surge in use since SU 12- and whoooha !!!! - even a 747 fighting fires Do you really think that developers like Orbx - PDMG - Just Flight- etc. - didn't know about this before announcing the recent aircraft developments?? Slow down fellows! - stop surmising negative thoughts - and just enjoy the best simulator since sliced bread - and accept development to something better - and await a proper announcement - that is not created by the spin guys - for the annual X box bean feast 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenn22 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I'd expect a detailed announcement at FSExpo. I wouldn't worry much at all.... they just released a pretty cool trailer with some specific, bespoke mission content and probably should have had a statement ready for the current users to avoid the totally insane speculation and accusations I'm seeing in the forums and FB groups. I had to log off and take an aspirin If purchases and progress transfer seamlessly, we're all good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 yeah I can't really believe some of the comments I am seeing elsewhere, I sort of get the feeling that maybe Microsoft looking at MSFS in a similar way to Windows, 10 year support cycle with new versions every 4 or 5 years whilst continued support for the old version until 2029 comes out...nothing has changed though, it all still works and we can all go fly our favourite planes in our favourite places...as for developers they'll follow the sales, and why wouldn't you, it makes commercial sense...I anticipate more info later this month.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lars Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I think this is really fun news. The cycle continues, as always. Add-ons will be portable, you just don't know the amount of work you have to spend to make it happen. Kinda reveiling, too, regarding the reactions over at FSElite. People are truly blind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 It's become pretty clear in the last 24 hours that most of what we have - 2020- will be ok for the New ? Sim - but one question I have does not seem to have been asked - or speculated on - is - HOW will these softwares be installed in 2024?? Will it be a closed shop setup - as is currently in X Box - eg. Microsoft has the installer ? 😱 Probably not - as Momo - developer of the brilliant C 414 - says the following on Flightsimware's Discord :-- -Momo — Yesterday at 1:47 PM You can count on our products getting an updated so our installer will install and work in the new sim. Most devs will do this too. Will there be a 'Community" like set up - or will it be by - say - Orbx/developer for example - or will a system be devised whereby the developer informs Microsoft of a list of 2020 Licensee's ? Will we still have the very useful Flightsim.to type of developer - and if so - will that go through MS as well? Should the latter happen - then it would solve the problem of having to pay twice for a 2020 PC software license to be used for X box (and then again - pigs might fly in the new sim - and here's me - joining in the speculator throngs) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 it'll be whatever it will be, I'm just enjoying what I have at the minute and purchasing via Marketplace, I see no difference in the set up for a PC version and all devs like Orbx will still have their own installers, I think though Microsoft saying what they did about not paying for addons again is a good bit of marketing by them as it puts it out there right from the off - buy your addons from us and there's NO upgrade fees once the devs have made sure they work on 2024.... Best advice - we can't do anything about it at the minute, it was only announced the other day so just enjoy this SIM we have now and see what more comes out later this month, EXPO will probably be sold out now, MSFS and P3D possible announcements..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Looks like we are just cows, and Microsoft is keeping us poor simmers, in the milking shed! But on the latest updated Microsoft tell us that the add-ons purchased on the Market place will be transferred in MSF 2024 . Also they will keep up with the road map of MSF2020 Anyone for the new sim , consider also a new computer! and , and, and a friendly bank manager or at best a very, very understanding wife. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 I'm in...looking forward to the new sim in 2024. Bring it on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 hours ago, YAMBA1 said: Anyone for the new sim , consider also a new computer! I doubt we will need that as it's going to also work on the current Xbox.....main difference I am seeing from this video is seasons.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulk Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 I originally made this posting and have enjoyed reading everyone’s posts afterwards. Initially, I was shocked and thought MS2020 is still improving why are you doing this. But after several days I looked at it differently. Microsoft / Asobo are in this for the long haul, they want to develop better and better for us all. A developer that wants to make things even better (in my opinion only) than we have already which has never been so good, surely can’t be a bad thing can it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto2 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 That makes about 30 posts in 48 hours or so in this thread....nice to see the activity and building excitement! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I note in relation to MSFS2024 that the fire fighting effects and crop spraying look pretty good, and I guess once Asobo tweak everything by release date, it should look really schmick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuisong Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I only hope that they have a logbook that is accurate in 2024. I can't believe they haven't fixed the current one. In FSX it worked great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takadiurga Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I'm hoping one of the Orbx staff can let us know whether our addons purchased in the Orbx Launcher are going to be compatible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Takadiurga said: I'm hoping one of the Orbx staff can let us know whether our addons purchased in the Orbx Launcher are going to be compatible The only way they can do that - is by having foreknowledge of what the NEW sim will be. Just by looking at the trillion comments all over the place - many of the major developers have expressed surprise at the release of this announcement - from such biggies as PDMG - Just flight etc. but they all seem to thing - based on the comments from MS that most will be OK. so why should Orbx be any different? - but then again - Orbx was quick of the mark with mods to the original sim - and they do seem to have a closer relationship with MS than most I'll make a bet that the long delay in YBML - MMB -and YBCG - after 2.5 years of 2020 - has something to do with it Edited June 14, 2023 by John Heaton 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I was looking in PC Pilot at all the items available for MSFS2020 , and was thinking of taking the plunge to MSFS2020, but maybe a plan B is now needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 yeah but we are here now, 2020 is wonderful to look at and works, 2024 may need some tweaking when they first release it, also they say anything from Marketplace will work free of charge...win win I say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 hours ago, wain71 said: yeah but we are here now, 2020 is wonderful to look at and works, 2024 may need some tweaking when they first release it, also they say anything from Marketplace will work free of charge...win win I say... Sheesh - I just worked out that I have spent $125 in the last 2 weeks on marketplace I see that Orbx have a sale at the moment - but not much for 2020 - BUT - if one goes to the marketplace - there is a raft of Orbx stuff at well reduced prices - for all those PC and X box users - but make sure that the software will fit the X Box 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2024 - some more info that might ease the worries of not knowing of what it is all about MSFS Keynote at FlightSimExpo 2023 - Twitch 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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