Jman31 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I apologize if this has been defined clearly somewhere else, but I couldn't tell by the banner description. When ORBX says the sale ends midnight Aug. 22, does that mean 12:00am going into the date of the 22nd from the 21st or does it mean 12:00am going into the date of the 23rd from the 22nd? I hope that make sense. I've got a specific situation regarding my finances the 21st so this delineation is important to me. Just bought P3D4 and learning all about the world of add-ons. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Kealy Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 The deadline has been declared in clear, precise and unambiguous terms, thus: "sale ends midnight 22nd August Australian Eastern Standard Time" Happy shopping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I believe that midnight means the end of the day. That is what comes after 2359 hours. Don't forget this is Australian time, not yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman31 Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Daz Kealy said: The deadline has been declared in clear, precise and unambiguous terms, thus: "sale ends midnight 22nd August Australian Eastern Standard Time" Happy shopping! The deadline is clear, how ORBX defines midnight is not. Midnight, in my experience, has been used to describe both time examples in my initial post, which is why I asked for clarification. Better safe than sorry, even if it seems redundant to others. 6 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: I believe that midnight means the end of the day. That is what comes after 2359 hours. Don't forget this is Australian time, not yours. Thank you Nick for the clarification. This was my initial assumption, but I wanted to make sure. I appreciate the quick response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsmeier Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Good to know. So if my calculations are correct, that would be 2017-08-22 14:00 UTC (for those who don't want to google AEST). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugdani Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 It would be easier for every body to speak in UTC as in aviation world !!! So Z1400 on 22 august ! Dani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braun Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, Bugdani said: It would be easier for every body to speak in UTC as in aviation world !!! So Z1400 on 22 august ! Dani. Heh...which is stated as "1400 hours, Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)" Sad but true :-) -Braun Retired ATC Retired Aviator Active observer of the Human Condition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelab6 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Don't think so Dani, Australian Eastern Standard Time is 10 hours ahead of Coordinated Universal Time, so August 22, 00:00 AM AEST (midnight) = August 21, 14:00 UTC Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the Swede in Spain Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Hey guys whats the problem? Why do you allways have to wait until the last minute? Buy what you need NOW not when it´s too late and blame ORBX because you "didn´t know" it was Australien time. In fact it says so in the post about the sale, but as usual some of us have not the patience to read the entire post. Jack the Swede in Sopain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftxpolo Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 28 minutes ago, JJJackson said: Hey guys whats the problem? Why do you allways have to wait until the last minute? Buy what you need NOW not when it´s too late and blame ORBX because you "didn´t know" it was Australien time. In fact it says so in the post about the sale, but as usual some of us have not the patience to read the entire post. Jack the Swede in Sopain " I hope that make sense. I've got a specific situation regarding my finances the 21st so this delineation is important to me......" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Maybe it is now a little bit late to implement, but at the next sale a countdown timer on the OrbxDirect website during the final stage might be a good idea. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsmeier Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 9:04 AM, Mikelab6 said: Australian Eastern Standard Time is 10 hours ahead of Coordinated Universal Time, so August 22, 00:00 AM AEST (midnight) = August 21, 14:00 UTC This was precisely the OP's question: what was meant by midnight? The belief (based on Nick, the only ORBX team member to chime in here) is that they mean the end of the day, so Aug 22 at 24:00 AEST, thus Aug 22 at 14:00 UTC. On 8/19/2017 at 10:39 AM, ftxpolo said: I've got a specific situation regarding my finances the 21st so this delineation is important to me......" Same here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Hello, I have made the assumption that the midnight referred to is the one that happens at the end of the day. There are two midnights in each day, to me midnight on xx day/date means the end of the day and always has. In my world, 2400 hrs does not exist, midnight is 0000 hrs and is exactly one minute after 2359 hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnG Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Right, that is how most people would interpret it, but that is also why it is a great question, since could be interpreted to fall before the day, being 0000 hours, one second after 23:59:59 on the 21st. Often in business contracts where any ambiguity can have material consequences, the time would/should be noted as prior to 11:59 pm rather than leaving an interpretation open to debate by lawyers (or forum denizens in this case) This seems to always come up, and I'm not talking about just here. what tends to help me is a nice countdown timer, that some retailers use. While I am generally aware of my own local time, and its relation to UTC, AEST is not a common reference for me at least, and I usually have to look it up. either way, I got the stuff I wanted. might grab some titles I'm ambivalent about this evening. I used to not buy airports because of VAS, so v4 has been very, very expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsmeier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: In my world, 2400 hrs does not exist Hi Nick, In ISO time, 24:00 does exist, as seen in this Wikipedia article. The relevant portion is here: Quote ISO 8601 uses the 24-hour clock system. The basic format is [hh][mm][ss] and the extended format is [hh]:[mm]:[ss]. [hh] refers to a zero-padded hour between 00 and 24 (where 24 is only used to denote midnight at the end of a calendar day). [mm] refers to a zero-padded minute between 00 and 59. [ss] refers to a zero-padded second between 00 and 60 (where 60 is only used to denote an added leap second) Some may find this discussion silly. To me, it's fascinating. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterg74 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 1:04 PM, Mikelab6 said: Don't think so Dani, Australian Eastern Standard Time is 10 hours ahead of Coordinated Universal Time, so August 22, 00:00 AM AEST (midnight) = August 21, 14:00 UTC Mike To me this is not right at all. Like Nick assumed, to me the term "midnight" refers to the middle of a night that has already started for a given day, i.e.: midnight of day "x" is right after 11:59 pm (or 23:59 pm) of day "x".... The other way is just the beginning of the day and why hours from there on are called "in the morning" for day "x" (1 in the morning, 2 in the morning, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben McClintock Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Hi all, Just to clarify, the sale will end at 2017-08-21 14:00:00 UTC (which is 12:00am on the 22nd in Australia). This is exactly 3 hours and 32 minutes from this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 So it appears that my assumption was wrong. Midnight in this case would appear to be the first one in the day. Apologies for an incorrect guess. I have emailed and sent PMs to the two customers for whom this is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman31 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Nick, I already replied to your personally, but thanks once again. For my first experience with ORBX, your guys communication and general customer service has been amazing and I wasn't even an official customer yet. Now I own a bunch of stuff (probably too much...). Thanks once again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainey Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Thanks for the generous sale Orbx. I picked up a heap of stuff and my wallet is no longer necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhand Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I do think that this does need to be clarified better next time around. Like Nick I assumed that midnight was the end of the day not the beginning, which is why people say "see you at midnight tonight" etc. I got most of what I wanted, but I stopped by at 15:30UTC today to pick up a few more things expecting another 22 odd hours of buying window to be available, only to find I'd missed the date and this thread! Oh well - I'm sure there'll be another one. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Sangria Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Well, I was just about to purchase a few items on sale. To my surprise, the sale has ended. It's Aug 21, 1:00PM here (USA EST). I thought I had until the end of the day since posts on the Intertubes said Aug 22 . I'm sad ...... Cry Me a River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 very very odd. How could anyone not read midnight the 22nd as the end of that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Watson Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 It's 20:05 on the 21st here, I went with 1400Z tomorrow, as was mentioned in the other thread, pretty obvious now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braun Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Memo for Orbx. As Aviators yourselves, surely you see the beautiful simplicity in stating the end date/time of your next sale in UTC "Coordinated Universal Time". That way, just like in Aviation, we are all on the same Clock. Just my suggestion, -Braun PS...thanks for the sale, bought an airport (Hobby Airfield, OR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKH55 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 yep me too got home from work and was ready to buy I live in usa thinking I had till midnight tonight my time guess I was wrong oh well lessoned learned don't wait so long to buy the product lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Kealy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Well what I described as "clear precise and unambiguous" has ended up unclear, imprecise and ambiguous! There's definitely not 2 midnights in a day. That would mean there's 730 of them in a year. There's only 365 for sure. That implies there needs to be one clear definition of when it is. I'm sure the lesson has been learned so that this doesn't happen again. The UTC suggestion appears to be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I suggested earlier the countdown clock, which is much easier. There are lots of auction websites that use those clocks, no calculations needed at all. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I think it's a bit late for a solution but since this is a debate: as there apparently cannot be two midnights in a day, which of the midnights in each day should be named midnight and what should the other midnight be called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lars Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This confusion with the date plus a not sent password reset mail from Orbx Direct prevented me from making some irrational purchases of airports I had never thought of purchasing before. Next time in UTC please, we are (wannabe) aviators after all. Edit: 00.00 = beginning of a day 24.00 = end of a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 ORBX should extend the sale by 48 hours. 24 hours for each midnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, Captain Lars said: Edit: 00.00 = beginning of a day 24.00 = end of a day So each day does have two midnights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun_king_135 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I'd like to cancel my purchase since the processing of the credit card took too long and the regular price was taken off. The reason is, that the sales prices was within the max limit and bow it's above and I fear my card will be locked. Any chance to do so? Kind regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medtner Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Why the FK do people wait for the last second? (or, indeed, for the second after, only then to complain?) This happens everytime. Get a grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lars Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: I think it's a bit late for a solution but since this is a debate: as there apparently cannot be two midnights in a day, which of the midnights in each day should be named midnight and what should the other midnight be called? Well, for me, midnight is 24.00 o'clock. 1 minute ago, Nick Cooper said: So each day does have two midnights. I understand the confusion, as it confuses me, too. 15 minutes ago, Venturi said: ORBX should extend the sale by 48 hours. 24 hours for each midnight Or just wait for the next sale, which could happen around Thanksgiving. Anyway, these sales are great opportunities, especially as FlyTampa and Aerosoft almost never have sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, sun_king_135 said: I'd like to cancel my purchase since the processing of the credit card took too long and the regular price was taken off. The reason is, that the sales prices was within the max limit and bow it's above and I fear my card will be locked. Any chance to do so? Kind regards. You would need to submit a support ticket for a request like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun_king_135 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 And where can I do that? @those who think there's so much time: let me tell you, there are several reasons, as to why last minute shopping could occur. One of them is people are working and may not be in their home town area. Another is the time zone difference, as to why I agree that a countdown may be great. Then news may not spread too far out, since some forums don't report it or e-mails come very close to the end or are overseen. And finally, some may also wait for the new month in terms of debit cards. Kind regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 You will find the link on the Orbx Direct support page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Kealy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 When you think about it (I'm actually sat here laughing) when it's midnight it's the next day really isn't it? I thought this discussion was daft when it started but it's not daft at all. Anyway, enough! I'm sure this won't happen again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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