macca22au Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I have read, I am sure with misinterpretation the debate about Vector and mesh. Let's start at the beginning. With FSX and P3D (either variety) the default mesh is far too coarse for my interest in geographic verisimilitude - fancy word for accuracy to the original. I have always had 3rd party mesh underneath to make even the defaults look more realistic. Orbx, to my mind was quite clear in saying a 3rd party mesh was required underneath Global and Vector and the LC regions as they are published. Why on earth would Orbx go to the enormous trouble and expense of creating mesh when FSGenesis and FSPilot's are specialists in this area. Before Global etc. I always have had FSGenesis under Europe and FSPilot's Global Ultimate under the rest of the world. Why that mix, I guess it is just my history of purchase and no other more sophisticated reason. Also mesh is somewhat an anomaly in the scenery library. It doesn't matter where it is in the Library and it doesn't matter how many different LODs that you have installed. The game simply uses the most detailed mesh for that area regardless of where you have listed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpreou Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I never had mesh before. Never really cared. I had been thinking about it over the last year or so. Not enough to buy anything. I read all the blurb leading up to Vector. There was no doubt in my mind I would get a better Vector experience with mesh. Since FS Global 2010 was used in the development of Vector it made sense to get that. Bought it. Bought Vector. Love them both. (don't quite love the 3FPS I just got over Osaka, Japan, though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I have FSGlobal 2008 mesh. and it works well enough. Now that Vector hit the market and all the hoopla I purchased FSFlobal 2010 and I am confident I will enjoy all it has to offer with my FS oFTX needs. The only problem is I can not download it from FSS...all the the links fail except the for the first one. FSS has been contacted but no reply over the past 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsumner Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 FSRobert, Is the Global Mesh download , 1 big file or is it split into smaller downloadable ones. Ive emailed the store to ask this question but there seems to be no-one home. 20+Gb downloads scare the pants off me even though they may be resumable. Ive had large files corrupted before using download managers and to have to re download this size would be a nightnare. Thanks Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul K Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Orbx, to my mind was quite clear in saying a 3rd party mesh was required underneath Global and Vector and the LC regions as they are published. And to my mind, they were not. So there we go - status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 FSRobert, Is the Global Mesh download , 1 big file or is it split into smaller downloadable ones. Ive emailed the store to ask this question but there seems to be no-one home. 20+Gb downloads scare the pants off me even though they may be resumable. Ive had large files corrupted before using download managers and to have to re download this size would be a nightnare. Thanks Graham Hi Graham, the download is split into 6 files. The first file I managed to download. The other 5 seem to have broken links or something. I am using a download manager as well, but at the moment nothing to manage due to the link problem. I do coucur with you that " no-one -home " at the Flightsim Store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt sl Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 although atm im not too keen on forking out another $100 + i do have a question does fs global 2010 cover the whole world. ? and if it does does/would it affect the FTX regions which already have their own mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 No, the game selects the most detailed mesh available for the scenery area. You have nothing to worry about or to do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 From my understanding it does cover the entire globe and has no effect on FTX regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt sl Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 ok thx guys appreciate it a thought for later on perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockliffe Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So with all the extra mesh resolution that comes with a better mesh, this impacts on performance? It has to, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Seems it would rockliffe. Once the dead links are repaired from FSS I will let know how it effects my humble rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dow Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Once mesh is loaded it has little effect on performance, however in extremely detailed mesh such as NZSI etc it does seem to slow down texture loading. The option of course is to reduce the mesh complexity in the control panel similarly to what you do in the autogen slider. As for mesh... a while ago I purchased the FSGenesis worldwide mesh for FSX and used it to make the terrain in non-ORBX regions (such as Africa) a bit more detailed. However I did find that many airports and lakes were on plateaux or sunken, as the original FSX elevation for those airports and lakes was based on the original FSX mesh, often 512m resolution. I had a choice, either fly with airports and lakes flush with the ground or with much better terrain modelling. I chose the latter. With Global Vector, the problem is much the same, only back to front. Vector is designed to work with accurate mesh, and it would be silly for them to have it any other way. What would be the point of increasing the detail of the entire world if the countries looked like nothing more than rolling sandhills, as the FSX original mesh did? By far the best solution is the FSGlobal mesh, and believe me it is a cut above. It has increased the resolution throughout the entire globe and even in the ORBX regions such as Australia and New Zealand. At the moment in a separate screen i am flying over NZNI and the terrain is simply astounding! It costs, but that's the price of convenience. If you can't afford the mesh, you have the option of trawling through all the flightsim download sites around the world and picking up freeware mesh, and getting mesh that will align fairly well with Vector data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockliffe Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Interesting post John, thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 PS I am not pushing one maker over another, but for those a bit cash-strapped (like me), FSGenesis can be bought in parts for the US and Canada, and for countries in Europe. Mix and match to suit. The beauty of Pilot's is that you get the lot on a continental basis, but at a price. However I don't want to list LODs, the benchmark for mesh. This represents the distance between selection points .. often lower than 19mtres in comples mesh and 76 metres in FSX default where whole mountains can be missed out. But FSPilot Ultimate has the highest detailed mesh but in a continental scale alongside FSGenesis available on a sectional basis. It is all a matter of cost. Ultimate comes in 3 boxed sets each with four disks for world coverage, and FSGenesis is of course on portion by portion basis which also adds up. FS Global 2010 is higher LOD ie less detail than Ultimate, but of course is a whole lot more economic as it covers the world. But I have never flown without 3rd party mesh as the default world is too bland and loses enormous elevation detail. No it has no measurable effect on performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsumner Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 There's a flightsimstore man as a moderator on here I believe. Can you not pm him Robert?? What about Skype. I may have to call them I think. I'm sure it's just a seasonal problem. Sent from my Enjoy 71 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 FSRobert I understand that Orbx has a mesh base for their regions, but it won't conflict as the game selects the 'best' mesh for that scenery area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Hamilton Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I understand that Orbx has a mesh base for their regions, but it won't conflict as the game selects the 'best' mesh for that scenery area. I'm in the process of downloading Global 2010, is that a better mesh than ORBX uses in their regions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Goff Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm in the process of downloading Global 2010, is that a better mesh than ORBX uses in their regions? The NA regions use 10m mesh in the US and 20m in Canada. Australia's freeware Holgermesh is 76m and I'm not certain about New Zealand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLonger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No, the game selects the most detailed mesh available for the scenery area. You have nothing to worry about or to do.. Is that really so? Doesn't is use the mesh according to the priority in the Scenery Library? Imagine you would have very high res mesh for the world but you like the mesh that comes with an FTX region more because everything is made specifically for THAT mesh, so shouldn't the sim use that region's mesh whenever it is above that addon high res mesh in the Library? I would find it odd if you could install various mesh addons and the sim would automatically pick the one with the highest resolution, switching between meshes in the fly. Can't believe that's what happening. I really do think that if you put a FTX region with its mesh above for instance Global Ultimate, the region's mesh will be used. Seems to be more according to the sim's rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm in the process of downloading Global 2010, is that a better mesh than ORBX uses in their regions? I have been trying to download Global 2010 for the last two days. The links I have are broke and FSS are not answering my mails or phone calls. Mr. Wolter is going to try and contact with FSS on my behalf...I hope he succeeds and I will also be downloading Global 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 good title for a book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hi there, Imagine you would have very high res mesh for the world but you like the mesh that comes with an FTX region more because everything is made specifically for THAT mesh, so shouldn't the sim use that region's mesh whenever it is above that addon high res mesh in the Library? I would find it odd if you could install various mesh addons and the sim would automatically pick the one with the highest resolution, switching between meshes in the fly. Can't believe that's what happening. I really do think that if you put a FTX region with its mesh above for instance Global Ultimate, the region's mesh will be used. Seems to be more according to the sim's rules. Actually, that's the way it has been in MSFS for a number of versions (except in FS9 there's that confusing reversal of display priority settings). The FSX display engine reads the headers of all local and active (in the scenery library menu) mesh bgl files and picks the one for display with the highest compiled resolution. If there are two or more mesh files of the same res then display priority of the entries in the scenery library is decisive. There are a few complications, e.g., the spatial coverage of mesh files can play a role as well, but generally that rule applies. In theory that means that a third-party add-on mesh can force itself to display instead of our region mesh files and thus interfere with fixed river or lake elevations. However, we keep an eye on what's available out there when generating our own mesh files and deciding on compiled resolution and, to date, I'm not aware of a case where third-party mesh files have led to display issues and I don't really anticipate that happening in the future either. Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taph Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Thanks Holger that is the clearest explanation I have read so far on how the mesh works. I bought a copy of Pilots Global Ultimate for Europe and Africa and always wondered whether it would cause me any issues as their instructions were to set the mesh at 1m, so far have done so and not seen any problems in current eu regions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Hamilton Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 ...I will also be downloading Global 2010. Just a heads up, Robert... get yourself a copy of WinRAR to extract it. Windows wouldn't extract it, neither would WinZip or 7-Zip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just a heads up, Robert... get yourself a copy of WinRAR to extract it. Windows wouldn't extract it, neither would WinZip or 7-Zip. Thanks so much for the heads-up Bruce. I just happen to have WinRar and I will use just that to un-zip FSGlobal 2010. Now all I need to do is get FSS on the ball and help me out to download it. The links seem to be broken for and I am unable to download the problem. I have been trying for days for FSS to respond to my mails for support and they are not answering the telephone. I feel stuck after my purchase with not being able to download FSGlobal 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I have been trying to download Global 2010 for the last two days. The links I have are broke and FSS are not answering my mails or phone calls. Mr. Wolter is going to try and contact with FSS on my behalf...I hope he succeeds and I will also be downloading Global 2010. Same here, I drove through a blizzard yesterday just to get Vector and Pilots mesh, and it's broke Oh well, Vector looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLonger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Actually, that's the way it has been in MSFS for a number of versions Thanks, Holger! Very informative! Never ever knew that and it's good to know. So this also means that it doesn't matter where you place the mesh in the Scenery Library, I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpreou Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 QUOTE: Bruce: "Just a heads up, Robert... get yourself a copy of WinRAR to extract it. Windows wouldn't extract it, neither would WinZip or 7-Zip." (because quote function is broken for me!) I quite happily used WinZip (registered copy) to extract FS Global. But absolutely never rely on Windows Zip for anything big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dow Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Thanks so much for the heads-up Bruce. I just happen to have WinRar and I will use just that to un-zip FSGlobal 2010. Now all I need to do is get FSS on the ball and help me out to download it. The links seem to be broken for and I am unable to download the problem. I have been trying for days for FSS to respond to my mails for support and they are not answering the telephone. I feel stuck after my purchase with not being able to download FSGlobal 2010. As far as I know there are no problems with the FSS store download files. The internet does funny things sometimes, especially when it comes to proxies and caches etc. If your ISP has a broken link or copy it can sometimes interfere with your access. I can't advise how to override it because I don't know your exact problem. But your ISP ould be the first point of contact, and get them to check their proxies etc for any possible broken links and files. (ISPs use a caching system to store files for a while in case someone else wants the same page or file, it means their download charges are reduced, however once a dodgy file is in their cache that's the version you will see until it is flushed and a new copy is accessible). As for unzipping, I just use the standard Windows 7 unzipper and it works every time for me. So I'm at a loss to understand why it doesn't work for others, unless you have 32 bit maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anfield ace Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hi Guys, I downloaded FS Global 2010 for FTX, this morning from FSS, in the UK, I used WinZip (freeware) as always, this consists of 6 files, file 1 took about 35 mins to download, the remaining 5 files took about 53 mins each to download, after extraction the program took about 45 mins to install. Sorry some of you guys are having troubles! Good luck with your hiccups, hope you get sorted soon! Cheers, Mal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 J van E, mesh unlike scenery does not need to be prioritised in the Scenery Library. It just doesn't work that way. The game makes the selection of the highest detail mesh for that scenery area. PS I should have mentioned. If you are happy with the default mesh, then everything will still work. It just loses all the subtlety of the landscape built in by the devs. Bruce the 10mtre mesh in Orbx regions is the best, so no worries. When you purchased Pilot's 2010 it should have told you what its level of detail is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonner Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Why on earth would Orbx go to the enormous trouble and expense of creating mesh when FSGenesis and FSPilot's are specialists in this area. How about the fact that people can finally start flying instead of fixing things, because they have to rely on conflicting products from different developers, products that often also have limited coverage or lack updates and support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot62 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I have never had any problems with the Download Manager (purchase version) nor the WinRar. But I quess I am getting my share now. The files seem to download fine and I get the complete sign on each one. When I try to extract them into another file as per instructions, WinRar gives warnings on corrupted files. I tried with WinZip 18 evaluation version. The red dot lights up indicating that Win Zip is busy but nothing else happens. The busy "circle" starts making rounds... The files do not extract. I guess the next step is to start allover again. Or fork out more $ for a payware zip program. This is starting to be an expensive mesh program for me. And I so hoped to have beautiful landscape to fly around... Jaakko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 My hiccups are still present, but working with Jay at FSS to sort it out. Jaakko, seems we are experiencing the same problems. Wonder if the problem is our location. Finland and Sweden are very close, just wondering if it has to do with a connection or something... maybe after a little more Koskenkorva I will figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot62 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I think I'll settle for some sparkling, especially tonight. Koskenkorva is a nice dry white, but a bit strong... I don't know about the location. Everything else I have downloaded from FSS has worked fine and this is the first time I have experienced any problems. I suppose we can blame NSA for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Indeed, bubbly all round and Season's best wishes to JV and teams, and to everyone of my fellow simmers, debaters, and contentious friends the world over. It's after 8pm in Aus so not long to go, for NY that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockliffe Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 And to you and your good lady Ian, but why not change the bubbly for a Rioja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrhealth Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Downloading Global From FSS right now in AUS no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSRobert Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Great news from me. At the moment I am file#2 and all is going well. For whatever reason the program adware blocked my downloading. I simply removed the trial program and everything works as normal once again. I want to thanks Jay at FSS for his kind help concerning this matter and all those here who put up with my replies the last few days...Happy New Year from Stockholm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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