Nick Cooper Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Hello, I have read on other forums that this update, to Windows 10 1709, breaks FSX and P3Dv4, P3D v3 having already been broken by the last update. Never one to avoid testing a theory, I have today updated to that version and discovered that it does indeed play havoc with both. Fortunately, the roll back is seamless but my advice is don't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermank Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Thanks, I will share this post with my DCA DC3Airways.com Sherm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKH55 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 how do you not let update ? how do I turn off updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 I you have Windows 10 Pro, you can defer all updates for 35 days. If you don't, I have seen this recommended. I have not used or tested it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKH55 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 thanks nick I google it and found a way to shut it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLYMERMAN Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Hi Everyone, I too had to roll back and turned off any update for a year until this is worked out. See picture on how to turn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joby33 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Thanks for the heads up ! Shutting off the updates now. Will this crap ever end ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanvito Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Thanks Nick I already had issues with the 1709 update, and rolling back fixed them, however it now wants to install itself again. I'll check out ShutUp10 to see if it helps deferring updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc_Z Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 As far as I know v3 is still afflicted by the KB 4038788 security update. Microsoft is supposed to issue a fix on or about Nov. 14, according to a post on the LM board. The Fall Update does not address that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplane Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just another reason to stick with Windows 7..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAF Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, Triplane said: Just another reason to stick with Windows 7..................... Yup, that works if you DON'T know how to use the current OS the way you want too. Plus the added benefit of not getting any security updates for an out-of-date Operating System anymore. Fun, Fun. Sorry, but I just cringe when I see posts like, "I still use Windows 7 because I can't figure out how to make Windows 10 work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamba765 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I updated to the new version, and it actually fixed some CTDs I was having. Works OK, so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurizio.c Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, FalconAF said: Yup, that works if you DON'T know how to use the current OS the way you want too. Plus the added benefit of not getting any security updates for an out-of-date Operating System anymore. Fun, Fun. Sorry, but I just cringe when I see posts like, "I still use Windows 7 because I can't figure out how to make Windows 10 work." If you like to have a IOS that upgrades and changes itself WITHOUT letting you know about it, well stay happy with it. Maurizio www.sim737ng.it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 Hello Maurizio Let's keep this topic on the subject and polite. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triplane Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 23 hours ago, FalconAF said: Yup, that works if you DON'T know how to use the current OS the way you want too. Plus the added benefit of not getting any security updates for an out-of-date Operating System anymore. Fun, Fun. Sorry, but I just cringe when I see posts like, "I still use Windows 7 because I can't figure out how to make Windows 10 work." How can I say this gently.....I've used Windows 10 as an Insider from the beginning. It's dual-booted here with Windows 7 but I would NEVER put FSX/P3D on the Win10 partition for many well known reasons. Please don't assume that folks don't know what they are doing.(You can delete this Nick. I'm beyond caring)............Doug Thanks Doug, I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lincoln Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hi, If you have an issue with the Latest Win10 update and are not able to use your Sim and or Sims, really simple fix. Load into safe mode,(Cntrl Restart) follow the steps for Safe Mode Enabled Boot, Once in Safe Mode, go to Command Prompt and type. sfc /scannow (Remember the space in between c and / ) Reboot as Normal. Problem Solved. And you get the updated Security Features of Win10. Although sometimes I wish I blocked updates too, they can be problematic, but I like to be up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilstorm Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: Never one to avoid testing a theory, I have today updated to that version and discovered that it does indeed play havoc with both. Nick, Can you expand on what you might of saw in P3Dv4.? I havent had a chance to use P3Dv4 (started really using it in v4.1) that long to determine what seems normal and what does not. I did find for some reason 1709 fix my 2WA1 rwy 11 CTD and has been confirmed by 2 other open OFv2 members on this forum as well as fixed my missing trees at first load at some Orbx airports. However, I did a flight today from KEKA to KBOK which was about an hour flight in IMC VFR on top and right at touchdown the sim just hanged. Then after a flight from L05 to L70 after landing and jumping in and out of the A2A C182 plane and towing it into a resting spot and then calling GSX for fuel, got the fuel and all, I got another crash, CTD that time I think. Thought it might of been just trying to do too much with having Google Chrome opened with 14 tabs, Microsoft Edge opened with 2 tabs, Pandora windows app playing, PilotEdge, Little Map Nav, FSE and Active Sky. So interested in hearing about your findings as I could only find one thread on Avsim about possible CTD with 1709 and one persons suggestion that Active Sky was an issue. Nathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Banks Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Richard Lincoln said: If you have an issue with the Latest Win10 update and are not able to use your Sim and or Sims, really simple fix. Load into safe mode,(Cntrl Restart) follow the steps for Safe Mode Enabled Boot, Once in Safe Mode, go to Command Prompt and type. sfc /scannow (Remember the space in between c and / ) Reboot as Normal. Problem Solved. And you get the updated Security Features of Win10. Although sometimes I wish I blocked updates too, they can be problematic, but I like to be up to date. Though my P3Dv4.1 is on a Win7x64 system, I'm intrigued by this Win10 problem. What is it (in this particular case) that the sfc command fixes? Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hello, The main problem was FSX. It would load but an attempt to use the drop down menu, select aircraft for example, resulted in a long delay and then but not always, a CTD. The Majestic Dash panel displays were haywire, there were "cannot display child window" errors with all my PMDG aircraft and at that point, I decided that enough was enough. I did not spend much time with P3D v4, there is a known problem as in FSX, with the child window and PMDG. I am only too aware that in the case of flight simulators, we all have very different experiences and that this update may not affect everyone in the same way. Beware does not mean that I have extensively tested every aspect and I would be very interested in whether Richard's suggestion would cure all these problems in one go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilstorm Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Im getting the Child window in P3Dv3.4 but really am not using it and soon might just remove it all together and consider doing a vanilla install of v3.4. thank you for your post Nick and I too am interested in hearing others results with Richards cure. Not sure exactly what that does and just finished a flight from 7S3 to KORS on PE with AS, FSE, Little NavMap, Pandora and two web browsers open and no issues. I even got an engine out on the Duke Turbine before take off so had to reload the whole plane from cold and dark, so a lot was going on but no issue in v4.1 with this 1709 installed so more testing will go on. Nathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znatusch Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Nick, thanks for starting the thread and warning others of these potential issues. May I ask whether after you rolled back from v1709, everything (as far as simming) is back to working as it was previously? (With no apparent on-going changes made after the rollback?) My computer is currently downloading v1709 (I clicked "Updates are available" - oops and darn) though I might do a rollback immediately after installation and not test v1709 compatibility with my sim (FSX-SE + many addons). Want to avoid having to re-install everything. It'd be the second time this year. Mr risk appetite is ebbing. Richard, how effective is the sfc /scannow fix? And - How widespread has this fix has been usefully applied (to sims and related) or is it something that has been observed to work on a few computers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lincoln Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hi Guys, Basically a Corrupted or Missing File Fixing Tool, unfortunately, I did not take note of the pre-update file parameters, all I know is I used this fix after I could not start FSX and P3d, When anything breaks,(as a first measure) I run scannow in Safe Mode and seems to do the trick. I will revert backward and see if I can replicate the Update Fault. Back Soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodneyprice Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If you are talking about the latest windows 10 update I have let it download and install and P3DV4.1 runs without any issues at all , In saying that I have probably just cursed myself bragging about no problems.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 3 hours ago, znatusch said: Nick, thanks for starting the thread and warning others of these potential issues. May I ask whether after you rolled back from v1709, everything (as far as simming) is back to working as it was previously? (With no apparent on-going changes made after the rollback?) Hello, welcome to the forums. For me, both simulators now work as they did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znatusch Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello, welcome to the forums. For me, both simulators now work as they did before. Thanks I tried running FSX-SE and ASN16+ASCA with v1709. ASN ran after listing its .exe as an exception with AVG. Ran sfc /scannow in safe mode - no errors were detected. FSX ran, with a few differences. Menu dialogue boxes that would formerly display on a black background, now displayed while FSX continued to show in the main window. When flying a circuit and on final, the runway and taxiways were black and untextured until about 500" laterally from the threshold. On closing FSX, two error messages were displayed. One was about an unnamed unsupported function, and the other to do with child windows. Have rolled back my system. Windows dialogue box thanked me for trying the preview build and promised that it would "Install the next preview when it is ready." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lincoln Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't have ASN, and have not been able to replicate the issue, mine perhaps was something else, just seems weird both Sims stopped Working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znatusch Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hopefully 6 minutes ago, Richard Lincoln said: I don't have ASN, and have not been able to replicate the issue, mine perhaps was something else, just seems weird both Sims stopped Working. Seems like v1709 works ok for some simmers and not so well for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romoni Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Select defaulf aircraft - select airfield You want and start Yours sim. Wait a little bit and select plane You want. Works with FSX SE and A2A aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB FlashOver Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Good day all, I updated and had issues with ASP4. I made an AVG exception for the entire HiFi folder and all is good. I've only had one flight so crossing fingers. FSX-SE seemed un-effected so far. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petfy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 There is Microsoft tool wushowhide.diagcab that will hide a downloaded update from the Win 10 installer. Trouble is that you can only use it after the download and before the install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamba765 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm not sure if this means anything, but prior to downloading the new Widows 10 update, I uninstalled and blocked any reinstall of KB4041676. After I uninstalled this KB, I stopped having CTDs every time I flew a MSCOT or TTORO arrival from the west into KIAH. Maybe just a coincidence, I'm not really sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockliffe Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Hmm, I have found it a very simple operation to stop updates. I simply disabled Windows updates in 'Services.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLYMERMAN Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 20 hours ago, rockliffe said: Hmm, I have found it a very simple operation to stop updates. I simply disabled Windows updates in 'Services.' Hi Howard, Are you talking about what i suggested in post #6? No updates as yet by doing this and you get updated defender security too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockliffe Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 3 hours ago, POLYMERMAN said: Hi Howard, Are you talking about what i suggested in post #6? No updates as yet by doing this and you get updated defender security too! Hiya, no, I simply went to 'services' and disabled it there. I have disabled other bits that run in the background too. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4499-start-stop-disable-services-windows-10-a.html#option1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLYMERMAN Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Howard thanks for the link. I'll file it for use if my method fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelab6 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 After the last Windows 10 Fall update, my Aerosoft Twin Otter Extended has the radio digits back. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAWT Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The Windows Fall update killed performance for P3Dv4.1 particularly when using VR. Whereas I was getting 57/90 FPS with the default scenario using FlyInside before updating, afterwards performance dropped to a measly 1-2 FPS. The performance was just as bad in the LM native VR mode. There may have been other issues but my simulator was unusable and I had to uninstall the update - performance was then back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLYMERMAN Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Hi Everyone, On the ProAtc/X forum user alanmetcal aka Alan reported that "The problem was not fixed with this months kb release, but MS are aware and say they are working on a fix."https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054150/issues-when-windows-10-fall-creators-update-calls-createwindowex-for-s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAWT Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Hi Polymerman - it certainly isn’t fixed. I installed the fall update and this weeks patches yesterday and as I found previously it completely killed performance in P3D v4.1 and in P3D v3. I restored my computer to what it was before the update and performance was restored. shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLYMERMAN Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Hello Shaun, Thanks for the verification! FYI and others what was mentioned in post #6 has worked for me in stopping updates but still get windows security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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