Aussieflyer38 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Last night I loaded up YBCG - Gold Coast. Nothing else running on my computer except my sim. It SAT AT 6% FOR 10MIN 29SEC THEN FINISHED AT 11 MIN 35 SEC, THEN I HAD TO WAIT ANOTHER 78 SEC for the airport cache to load. In that time I went and had a coffee with the wife, did the dishes and fed the dog and cat, I was supposed to be flying. Today, YBBN streaked home - (sat at) 6% in 5 min40 sec, complete 7 min 35sec. So much for AU2, I've had nothing but trouble since installing it. Goodbye AUv2, hello AUv1 Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 What equipment do you run for such long wait? I know that Gold Coast Sceneries + YBCG take a bit memory and running FSX it's not as good than P3D. I personally did not see any difference running Aus v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 he's running a reasonable comp- but with PD3RD The long time @ 6% - would indicate that if he was from across the ditch and forgot to update to hot spot 1 which was supposed to defeat his problem Nowt to do with AV2 mate - its pd3r - but I have to admit with a computer - almost identical - it doesn't take me that long even in TE Britain South "Did the dishes" - indeed - what is the world coming top?? But then again - maybe that's one of the reasons I have added X Plane 11 to my library- 30 secs splash screen - full load to runway threshold - 3 mins including Full Britain TE scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 I run P3Dv4.5. I had serious issues with scenery brought about by not deleting Holgermesh when I installed Au v2, since then a lot of my concerns have been fixed. I just have problems with the time it takes to load scenery like YBCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, John Heaton said: he's running a reasonable comp- but with PD3RD Nowt to do with AV2 mate - its pd3r - but I have to admit with a computer - almost identical - it doesn't take me that long even in TE Britain South "Did the dishes" - indeed - what is the world coming top?? But then again - maybe that's one of the reasons I have added X Plane 11 to my library- 30 secs splash screen - full load to runway threshold - 3 mins including Full Britain TE scenery. Hi John, The long time @ 6% - would indicate that if he was from across the ditch and forgot to update to hot spot 1 which was supposed to defeat his problem Not sure what you mean by this. I thought the update to v4.5 was supposed to fix this, but didn't with me. Can you assist with this - info. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadtom65 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hi Don. I’m the same with P3Dv4 with the loading times that is and that is because the sim is on an ordinary hard drive. The only way to improve it is to put the sim on an Ssd drive. This is why I also am using Xplane now more than P3Dv4 and that’s on a normal hard drive. Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hello Don. The more that there is in a scenery library, the longer it will take to initially load the simulator. This is why many people choose to use a utility such as the Scenery Config Editor, Simstarter or the Lorby utility to reduce the demand to just the parts of the world where they intend to fly. This is an across the board "problem" and nothing to do with Australia v2, Orbx or indeed any other developer. The 6% problem seems to remain and how long it lasts is also inextricably linked to how much scenery has to be loaded and what type of scenery that is. I think I could knock your record claim into a cocked hat, I have a scenery.cfg file with 1580 entries, including 1.55 TB of photo scenery and I have yet to see either FSX or P3D v4 finish loading it. It's not for use, it is for creating a database for Little NavMap and attempts to load it have only been the result of accidentally leaving it in place. The answer is to manage your scenery collection and also accept that some areas of great detail will take much longer to load than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillwater Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Don, besides the classical "6 % break to finish your homework" I have similar loading time issues with the recent CityScapes in Barcelona and Gold Coast. I keep them deactivated whenever i can. When I fly there I allow half an hour to load... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratocruiser Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Aussieflyer38 said: Hi John, The long time @ 6% - would indicate that if he was from across the ditch and forgot to update to hot spot 1 which was supposed to defeat his problem Not sure what you mean by this. I thought the update to v4.5 was supposed to fix this, but didn't with me. Can you assist with this - info. Don There are actually Hot Fix files out. Hot Fix 1 and Hot Fix 2. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Aussieflyer38 said: Hi John, Not sure what you mean by this. I thought the update to v4.5 was supposed to fix this, but didn't with me. Can you assist with this - info. Don Don the ditch bit was supposed to be a little joke - but it went thro' to the wicket keeper. As stratocruiser just said - they brought out a hot spot to install/add to .5 - to get rid of the 6% problem - around 3 months ago. and a new hotspot last week - for what reason I don't know - I left it alone whilst I play with XPLANE11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 hours ago, John Heaton said: Don the ditch bit was supposed to be a little joke - but it went thro' to the wicket keeper. As stratocruiser just said - they brought out a hot spot to install/add to .5 - to get rid of the 6% problem - around 3 months ago. and a new hotspot last week - for what reason I don't know - I left it alone whilst I play with XPLANE11 the ditch bit was supposed to be a little joke - but it went thro' to the wicket keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 hours ago, Dadtom65 said: Hi Don. I’m the same with P3Dv4 with the loading times that is and that is because the sim is on an ordinary hard drive. The only way to improve it is to put the sim on an Ssd drive. This is why I also am using Xplane now more than P3Dv4 and that’s on a normal hard drive. Derek. Hi mate, my main HD for my sim is a SSD, and I've just done the two hotfixes by LM, nothing changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Stillwater said: Don, besides the classical "6 % break to finish your homework" I have similar loading time issues with the recent CityScapes in Barcelona and Gold Coast. I keep them deactivated whenever i can. When I fly there I allow half an hour to load... Yep looks like I'm going to have to live with it. Strange thing is YBCG only took about 3 minutes to load. Other airports like YBBN are also taking a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Stratocruiser said: There are actually Hot Fix files out. Hot Fix 1 and Hot Fix 2. Howard Thanks Howard, just did them and no change unfortunately. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello Don. The more that there is in a scenery library, the longer it will take to initially load the simulator. This is why many people choose to use a utility such as the Scenery Config Editor, Simstarter or the Lorby utility to reduce the demand to just the parts of the world where they intend to fly. This is an across the board "problem" and nothing to do with Australia v2, Orbx or indeed any other developer. The 6% problem seems to remain and how long it lasts is also inextricably linked to how much scenery has to be loaded and what type of scenery that is. I think I could knock your record claim into a cocked hat, I have a scenery.cfg file with 1580 entries, including 1.55 TB of photo scenery and I have yet to see either FSX or P3D v4 finish loading it. It's not for use, it is for creating a database for Little NavMap and attempts to load it have only been the result of accidentally leaving it in place. The answer is to manage your scenery collection and also accept that some areas of great detail will take much longer to load than others. Thanks for the info NIck, I came to the conclusion that the density (?) of the scenery was the reason for the slow loading, but couldn't understand why it was worse in AUv2 than v1. Also some of the guys here don't have the problem - more powerful machines? Something I also found interesting was if I flew somewhere in OZ and then at the end of the flight, decided to fly from YBCG it loaded in half the time. I think I could knock your record claim into a cocked hat, I have a scenery.cfg file with 1580 entries, etc Now you're boasting Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyg073 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I'm new to ORBX, about a week now, and still finding my way around. I am also experiencing the load pause at 6% and at 71%, although not long enough walk the dogs. I had put it down to my fairly low spec system but I am interested to learn that it ain't necessarily so and of the Hot Fix 1& 2. Could someone explain the concept and how to access the fixes please? I'm not sure that it would impact the issue with my current system but it will good stuff to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hello, I fear that it is still necessarily so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, daveyg073 said: I'm new to ORBX, about a week now, and still finding my way around. I am also experiencing the load pause at 6% and at 71%, although not long enough walk the dogs. I had put it down to my fairly low spec system but I am interested to learn that it ain't necessarily so and of the Hot Fix 1& 2. Could someone explain the concept and how to access the fixes please? I'm not sure that it would impact the issue with my current system but it will good stuff to know. 21 minutes ago, daveyg073 said: I'm new to ORBX, about a week now, and still finding my way around. I am also experiencing the load pause at 6% and at 71%, although not long enough walk the dogs. I had put it down to my fairly low spec system but I am interested to learn that it ain't necessarily so and of the Hot Fix 1& 2. Could someone explain the concept and how to access the fixes please? I'm not sure that it would impact the issue with my current system but it will good stuff to know. G'day mate, if you haven't had a welcome - welcome . you need to log on to your account with LM that's where you'll find the "Hotfix 1&2. Don't expect too much though, it works for some but not others. As Nick explained to me, if the files are relatively large/dense, you'll just have to live with the long load times. I found today that if I load an airport, then want to fly somewhere else, like YBCG, the load time was reduced from 11min 30sec, to just under 8 minutes, don't know how that works, but any improvement is a good one, I'll take it. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F737MAX Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I used to have a 15 minute load-up time with another developer's EGLC and TE GB South before v4.5 HF1 was released. Since then, it's been a more manageable 6.5 mins. Aus v2 hasn't caused me any problems, but then I don't run Gold Coast CityScene. Aus v2 + YSCB + Cityscape Canberra takes 4 minutes. Reducing the amount of active scenery in scenery.cfg and / or add-on.xml helps a lot. It's not the cure, but it makes a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence aldrich Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I think we are definitely starting to realize the fundamental issue here.... I have concluded after testing that since filling a 50 gallon drum with water using a coffee cup seems to take considerably longer than using a fire hose that we have at least figured it out.....now we must wait for the software gurus to work around the laws of physics and rid us of this annoyance. I'm going back to FS 9....….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyg073 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello, I fear that it is still necessarily so. I'm sure that isn't what Ira wrote Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyg073 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Aussieflyer38 said: G'day mate, if you haven't had a welcome - welcome . you need to log on to your account with LM that's where you'll find the "Hotfix 1&2. Don't expect too much though, it works for some but not others. As Nick explained to me, if the files are relatively large/dense, you'll just have to live with the long load times. I found today that if I load an airport, then want to fly somewhere else, like YBCG, the load time was reduced from 11min 30sec, to just under 8 minutes, don't know how that works, but any improvement is a good one, I'll take it. Don Thank you Don. As an FSX user I guess that I'll be one of those that don't reap the benefits then . However, more information for the memory bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I don't think that the problem is solely related to Data loading times - but also the quality of what you get when finally loaded - in either PD3 ( 7 mins) - or XP 11(4 mins) I recently switched to XP11 from PD3 - mainly to get Britain TE Package on special @ Orbx. Since the I have struggled to get even the same quality as I got on TE Souths slideshow on PD3 Ok - maybe I don't have the super computer that some of you have - but my spec is as close as dammit to the recommended as preferable by XP11 --- I5 - 9600 - 3.90 (u/c) - latest 1050TI - 16 DDR4 - 2 TB HDD 7200.rpm Is the problem that Orbx considered the mid range computers - that were top stuff 2/3 years ago - when they set out the development process - or were they planning for the future market - that now occurs. Sometimes it seems even the best of what some of you have isn't good enough - ie TE south London area problems that filled this forum 2 months ago. I want to spend time flying - not tweaking to get - what I thought I should be getting - and "comments" by J.V. - whose computer also - isn't the bee's knees! - seems to expect some tweaking to get even close to what the software can give without spending $5000 to get the spec that seems to be required to keep the sliders/Data at the right end of the graph - and give quick loading - and flicker free flying. Makes one think more of what might be on the horizon from developers . P.S - XP 11 loads to splash screen in 1 min - and to fully load my "mid way sliders" - Britain TE +Piper Arrow A/c - at the above comp spec - in 4 mins tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 My P3D v4.5 splash screen loads in 1min 25 sec, so I don't have a problem with that, I think it's okay I fly in other countries not ORBX software and fairly detailed scenery that loads in a reasonable time 1 to 2 mins, and no black squares. I have also found that if I fly out of airports outside of AU2 I have less problems and glitches. Like you I want to spend my time flying, not tweaking and fixing things and reading the forum posts trying to sort out these problems and the frustrations they cause. I have quite a bit of scenery for Asia, Europe and the U.S that I am now flying quite a lot, and getting a lot of pleasure from, and I don't have any problems with time loading the files, and the quality and detail suits me fine. Naturally I'm disappointed that some OZ scenery doesn't work for me, but ay my age I want to enjoy my flying for however many years I have left, and not be concerned about...………….stupid software faults. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratocruiser Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Another thing I notice is that after I shut down P3D but do not turn off my computer I can come back to P3D later and the load time is about half as long as it is if I had turned off the computer and then re started the computer then started P3D. It's like the computer keeps the scenery loaded somehow in memory until you turn off the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieflyer38 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Not sure but I think it sits in RAM. Whatever is in your RAM memory stays there until you turn your computer off. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will chip in and correct me Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratocruiser Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Yes, I also think that is what is going on. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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