John Heaton

Sheeeeesh - I'll try anything once - start with the narrow span of the Gateway bridge - the beginning is just after this You will need a spare pair of underpants

Bump Bump I'll try again - I now have 6 items in community file - recognised by content manager - but wont install 3 of these Items were /are via Central eg Tampa Libraries and FDS liveries

Thankyou Orbx for the new freeware "Brisbane City Run" - because it will show the rest of the World the best of Queensland's Capital City and all though I live an hour away I visit often physically - and since we got the city pack - which is now also updated - all the keen flight simmers- and racers - can enjoy our beautiful city - via the new Brisbane airport YBBN - also from Orbx.

Prior toV5 - I never had any probs with installs placed in Community - eg freeware after V5 - and I had cleared Community before upgrade - Southport - bought direct - would not install I completely uninstalled 2020 and reinstalled it - added a few bits to Community - including all my Orbx via Central. Some are working OK but getting stuck again on Southport - and now the chopper H135 Both are shown and recognised as NOT installed but the sim wont install them Any ideas - or is it a fault that V6 has produced and 3rd parties have not updated

Whoops! - hope the thought police don't see this - don't you mean -Uluru

Don't airlines use Zulu time - I'm sure I did for flight planning - when flying in OZ no matter which state -but then again -------- that was 40 years ago

Brilliant one of my favourite groups - I just sent the URL to my 5 kids -Thanks Mate!

OK - I can't resist telling you this story then since you know exactly what it was like there - on the 3rd day As we were all stood around waiting for the baggage carousel to work - probably your fault - it was 6.30 am and you still sleeping - this young bloke - I'll guess 18/20 - came up to us - pushing an empty 2 wheeled trolley -- and asked could he help us with our luggage we said yes - and chatted for a while - learning that this was his first day on the job - and hadn't realised that the plane - first one of the day was full of immigrants. His face was incredible as he watched our 14 suitcases come out off the chute - and he had to call for help - so imagine the scene - when we came out of the exit . My new boss and another - were waiting outside - they were expecting 7 of us of course - and had a spare taxi waiting - we needed 2 more I told my boss - the porter was on his 1st day - so he tipped him $20 - and he must have thought again about being a porter at the new airport

I wonder if anyone else spotted that??

Thanks for that mate - I thought for a minute I'd lost my marbles - because I have a memory of sitting in 1A looking at its name in that Perth flight

Now I find that is very strange -- since I think I actually flew on a Qantas 707 with that name again in 1972 from Perth to Singapore maybe they had a second one - but then again - it was 50 years ago and my mind is not what it used to be

On Sept 3rd 1971 -50 years ago - a Qantas Boeing 707 - "City of Adelaide" - having left London Heathrow - via Tehran - Hyderabad - and Singapore touched down at 6.30am on the 3 day old - (now 50 yo) - Tullamarine Airport - (YMMB) - that had just replaced Essendon - as the principal airport of Melbourne. On board that flight were some 180 Immigrants - of which one was an 36 YO engineer - his 34 YO wife - 5 kids - aged 11 to 6 - and 14 suitcases Today of course we remember all this as if it were yesterday - and remember that as full blown Aussies - we were still - Immigrants in a new country and we are very grateful to Australia - for bringing us to this great Country - and only charging us 10 pounds each - for just me and the missus Those 5 kids have further produced 10 Aussie grandchildren - 6 Aussie - great grandchildren - so far T.W.! -a small part of the 100% growth from 11 million in the 50years Note:- - Englishmen and Aussies who read this - will know the reference to - "10 pounds each"

I asked this question on the 2020 forum and it met with a sort of "O-Humm! -so maybe I should have put the question to those who are old enough to remember legendry aircraft Here's a Viscount that travelled through the time and distance barrier to sit on the Gold Coast where Ansett used them.

Humbug !! - would someone explain to me what the H##l we need all this in a "FLIGHT SIMULATOR" dummy - ( and dumbed) - co-pilots in the cockpits - are bad enough - and are there - or not - by my choice It's bad enough to see on Railway stations in Train Sims - (even if the chicks have good legs)

"we will keep this thread open so we can have a robust (and I hope constructive) discussion around these topics, and what it is that makes Orbx great, today and tomorrow - not what it did 2 years ago, that environment does not exist any longer. We are trying to adapt to what we can work with now, and with that, invent the future. It would be great to do this as a community as much as a Company. Anna - firstly - what could be construed as my provenance for what follows- and why I can't agree that the past does not exist any longer I came into Marketing in the early 60s via Drucker and a diploma via Manchester/Harvard - have around 700 PPL hours - mostly in my own PA 32 and Seneca Twin engine - and since 1980 - the Lord only knows how many simming hours in Commodore 64 to MS2020 - and since 2007 - most of it in Just Flight and Orbx - again - most of both - real and simmed - below 10000 ft in VFR and IFR - and a couple of million air miles around the World on Business in both Prop and Jet airliners - above 10000 feet - and it is this figure - 10000 ft that I believe is the marketing key to your word - Adapt It is my belief - that Orbx should look to the past as to why it was/is and can still be a successful power in the future of fight simming world - in BOTH PC and Consoles - and still see 2 markets - profitably. Orbx made money for years in the market pre 2020 in 2 sims - and still can. This new 2020 market a is new sim and high volume due to the developement of the simming community - and now the console when you sort that out Orbx - from its earliest days of coloured Australian regions - has given us both high and low flight experiences with its Global and Vector softwares all over the World To satisfy those amongst us - that wanted to fly low and slow - VFR and IFR - in basic P3D and X Plane sims - in better than default scenery - by giving us - only 2/3 years ago - True Earth and we lowly VFR flyers in the UK and West Coast USA a "photographic" experience of sorts - and we were happy with this developement. Orbx started to go a step further by producing Cityscapes and particular attached airports (Actually it was Just Flight who first brought out the 1st VFR Photo software and I used that back in 2007) Whilst a number of Orbx Regions were there - and increasing in number - it gave those of us with our thoughts in the "above the navel region" of 10000 feet - and a number of Aircraft developers - the Market for the devotees of "Tube" flying - high levels of skill and terrestial navigation - which low and slow - VFR didnt need - leading in turn to highly developed accuracy of a particular type of aircraft developement - The "Study Aircraft" This was - and indeed still is - for sometime to come - the province of P3D and X-Plane. There were still - and still are enough aircraft - vintage airliners - or Biz Jets to satisfy - the Gap between 10K and 20K feet - to need the Regional scenery on cloudless local-city to city-inter country - regional flights. All these aircraft - large and small - needed somewhere to take off and land. Orbx made an additional name for itself by creating differing kinds of airport - in Australia - then UK - and USA. We were happy with what we got as long as there was a runway to land on - and latterly -parking bays - lights - and other airport paraphilia. 2 years ago the peace was shattered by the Mighty Microsoft offering a revolution in flight simming - and in many aspects - they have! - and most of it is - Real time photogrammetry scenery below 10000 feet - and needing a quantum PC to run it - a super internet - and surprise -surprise - they produced a console to do just that - a super PC. Now 12 months later and countless addons from the likes of Orbx - updates - additional aircraft - hordes of payware and freeware developers - we have actually got a sim that has a great future. We await to see if the X BOX sim survives - without those same developers - including Orbx - by having the install access - that has made the PC so successful- i.e. the community file method. Now - some are wanting airports that glow with internal - (WHY?) - external - bits and pieces that only apply to the tube aircraft - that may be coming someday. I refer to travelling gates - external bays and markings - service trucks etc. The internals probably are to satisfy the Virtual Communtity via the MS controller enabling tours around the buildings etc. Personally - I also enjoy my Flights above 25000 feet in my freeware 787 - 380 - and 777 over Orbx regions and looking forward to more of them. Examples have been - Heathrow to Capetown via Nairobi in a VC 10 - Heathrow to Perth in a 787 via Qantas - and yesterday Heathrow to Darwin - recently announced by Qantas - over a completely different regions that Orbx have promised to give us - Asia - Russia -SE Asia . What does 2020 need to give us the flights above 10000 - apart from fluffy clouds -----simply nothing that P3D/X Plane does'nt give us now - except maybe an improved photogrametry Earth from 25000 plus - if we needed such a benefit. Some companies are talking about producing study aircraft for 2020 - but we have seen one only added so far. The aircraft supplied to the tube Market by Asobo - have not yet been seen to perform in said quality. Below 10000 - 2020 is way ahead in scenery -thanks to 3rd parties-although periodical upgrades seem to provide more problems - whilst the Asobo aircraft offerings - don't really compete with the 3rd party addons - at least to long term flight simmers - they suffice for the majority - and more so - for the Part Time Console pilots In a nutshell - to answer the OP and Anna - my research - such as it is - shows 2 distinct Orbx markets - that Orbx is not about changing it's attitude to long term / old customers and P3D type work - but serving the market needs of 2 - (maybe - 3 if we analyze the console market a bit more) - differing "Heights" - literally !! Orbx has apparently become 2 companies in the past 2 years - the older team in OZ trying to satisfy their old market customers - P3D / XPlane minded - and the Brand new UK mob shooting for the newer volume market. The older market is very much still alive - especially amongst the purists - which after all - that's what we all probably were Pre June 2019 when the crash that changed us - happened So Orbx please note - that the thousands of us around at that time are still here - although somewhat tempted by that below 10000 vision 2020 is giving us - and look forward to you realising - that the same exists for regional scenery above 10000 - Near and SEAsia - Oceana in particular - and little airports for our VFR/IFR flying you provided in the past - for 2020 - esp the freeware ones - speaking as an old age pensioner

Why the surprise - Orbx is Australian - and with Orbx - you can travel the World at any time------- and photograph a load of airports - in so doing!

G/Day Pat - from now on - thou art known as Hoppy Cox - and we all hope that you have recovered BTW - the page number - 21 - is a lucky number and is a reminder of a certain date and party's of Oh! - so many years ago and all try to remember the day - Al - Al - whatisname? - permitting

I was taught very early by my flight instructors "ANY landing you can walk away from - is a good landing !" and "A good landing - is but a Controlled crash"

Is this area known as The DeL-MAR Triangle

Thanks John but I was looking for a DIY Tutorial!

This wasn't mine - that also happened yesterday - whilst I was over Blackpool Small Plane Makes Emergency Landing on I-5 Near Del Mar, Stunning Motorists (msn.com)

In our Community Photo section - yesterday - I talked about getting my hands on a new X Plane Addon a rare - PA 32 - and which was the same model of aircraft I used to own in Melbourne in the 70s - and I use as my avatur on the left Imagine my surprise when on tonight's T.V. newscast - there was a report of a light aircraft - force landing on a California Freeway yesterday - and I recognised it as a PA 32. Small Plane Makes Emergency Landing on I-5 Near Del Mar, Stunning Motorists (msn.com) Co-incidence ??

Nice one Rob - but I dont thing I will bother - being a very old school lover of my training in a PA 140 However for speed and fun - have a go at this little baby - Vertigo - Vertigo » Microsoft Flight Simulator and hang on --- and its freeware

Advise him - for free - ------ learn how to write and spell in English

You probably have noticed my Avatur is me with my own PA 32 in the 70s Someone just brought out one for X Plane - and I got it Immediately yesterday - and a few flights since Here's a couple of shots - of a retro bird - over a retro Orbx TE - which just happens to be -my Retro Old Town - Blackpool UK - and our house was just about the intersection of the elevator - with the rudder on the first one Now - how do I get to paint it in the correct colours - and rego number ??