fabs79 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Hi, although I appreciate the city landmarks packs like London, Singapore and Paris, they only cover a tiny area in regions otherwise devoid of interesting landmarks. What I'd love to see are landmarks packs that include every Landmark of a True Earth region, like GB North, not only the famous buildings but also VFR reference points like wind turbines, chimney stacks... Is there any chance we might see something like this in the not too distant future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 That's something I had in mind, too. At present, we have to download groups of buildings up to single objects at the worst case from the freeware sites. I observe the /Community folder to become cluttered more and more. Packages of areas sized like the TE or former FTX regions would be great. Kind regards, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, fabs79 said: Hi, although I appreciate the city landmarks packs like London, Singapore and Paris, they only cover a tiny area in regions otherwise devoid of interesting landmarks. What I'd love to see are landmarks packs that include every Landmark of a True Earth region, like GB North, not only the famous buildings but also VFR reference points like wind turbines, chimney stacks... Is there any chance we might see something like this in the not too distant future? 1 hour ago, pmb said: That's something I had in mind, too. At present, we have to download groups of buildings up to single objects at the worst case from the freeware sites. I observe the /Community folder to become cluttered more and more. Packages of areas sized like the TE or former FTX regions would be great. Kind regards, Michael I agree with both of you. And those freeware buildings, mostly extractions from Google Maps, can have a pretty heavy impact on performance, especially on smoothness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabs79 Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, wolfko said: I agree with both of you. And those freeware buildings, mostly extractions from Google Maps, can have a pretty heavy impact on performance, especially on smoothness. When you look at the folders of those freeware sceneries you will see that many of them use very ineffective texturing methods, namely a large number of very small textures per object which leads to a heavy workload for the GPU. I once downloaded a freeware scenery for the Zion National Park and though it looked great it was essentially unflyable. the texture folder contained 41000 texture each of them only a few kilobytes big. I guess that happens when people mistake watching a 5 minute YouTube video on extracting and converting Google earth data with efficient scenery design. That said, there is a number of really high quality freeware sceneries available, but as Michael pointed out it's really hard to keep track of all the small add-ons. That's why I'd prefer a larger scale regional Addon that significantly enhances a big region containing many airports so you can just enjoy exploring the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdboomen Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I'm in as well. I did the suggestion for P3D in the past and I would like to see this for MFS. While some freeware look really stunning, I prefer professional and wel overthought approaches on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hargreaves Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Oh yes a big +1 for UK landmarks pack lifted from TEGB, I have my Christmas money ready and waiting There was a time when some people thought that MSFS would spell the end for the likes of Orbx, turns out we need them more than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olderndirt Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/28/2020 at 2:27 AM, John Hargreaves said: Oh yes a big +1 for UK landmarks pack lifted from TEGB, I have my Christmas money ready and waiting There was a time when some people thought that MSFS would spell the end for the likes of Orbx, turns out we need them more than ever. Perhaps I'm misinformed but, at the release of TEGB South the XP default file of 'London landmarks' was required above TEGB in scenery_packs.ini in order to be seen. So at that time it would appear there was no Orbx version of 'London Landmarks'. I like their version and wish they'd do it for XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hargreaves Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Yes, I think when we installed TEGB south, you had to have default XP11 London installed as well, as Orbx used some of the default buildings. Makes sense, no point in doing the same work twice. A more comprehensive London for XP would be good, but XP London was better than MSFS London was on release, however they have added stuff since then - Wimbledon Tennis etc. Orbx must have a few thousand POIs from the TEGB series that would nicely lay on top of the generic MSFS scenery. TEGB Leeds in XP for instance is far superior to MSFS currently. The difference is a city that looks recognisable vs a city that has things broadly in the right place, just not the right things, to paraphrase Eric Morecambe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdboomen Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 18 hours ago, John Hargreaves said: The difference is a city that looks recognisable vs a city that has things broadly in the right place, just not the right things I believe I've read some day that the Orbx MSFS airports will not have much extended surrounding scenery due to the photo realistic nature of MSFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGunard Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 +1 - especially for the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireRx Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 there's airports/area I hope Orbx will make fro MSFS. like KPSP, KSEZ, and KMRY that had unique scenery and Landmarks in each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosqr Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Count me in of course I love cities so as much complete as possible it's better I also download all the free landmarks out there but some are not that good but improves a bit I know it would be a titanic work but.....little by little? A department focused on only landmarks and cities? Maybe the one that made the Netherlands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hargreaves Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 8:02 AM, bvdboomen said: I believe I've read some day that the Orbx MSFS airports will not have much extended surrounding scenery due to the photo realistic nature of MSFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think we are meaning the airports as much as the general scenery. MSFS is amazing for lighting and atmosphere, but weak on detail for specific POIs. It's great if you fly over an area you don't know, but disappointing when you are familiar with the area. I'd imagine Orbx might be waiting to see what's in the UK update, but it makes no sense for them to have all those castles and towers on their hard drives and not make some cash with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto2 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Yes, POIs for all of the TrueEarth areas....we know the models already exist! Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I guess I’m confused by this thread , why do we need TE for MSFS ? . When I do VFR flights over Spokane WA every building , church , park , highway etc is there in very high details . I see the need for the upgraded airports but for me I am perfectly happy with the overall scenery in MSFS . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireRx Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Brad, I think the mean landmarks like Pebble beach GC and the Monterrey Penesula in KMRY for instance. Key POI that we look for while flying. or Hearst Castle in San Simeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 41 minutes ago, FireRx said: Brad, I think the mean landmarks like Pebble beach GC and the Monterrey Penesula in KMRY for instance. Key POI that we look for while flying. or Hearst Castle in San Simeon. MSFS uses Bing maps , all the gof courses in our area are here , I have not explored the Monterrey Penensula yet . This guy did a video of the landmarks from the TV show Breaking Bad : Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, BradB said: I guess I’m confused by this thread , why do we need TE for MSFS ? . When I do VFR flights over Spokane WA every building , church , park , highway etc is there in very high details . Buildings, parks, highways are generally okay. However, Spokane must be either done via Photogrammetry or one of the few hand-crafted cities to include churches. Germany has very few churches and the church with the highest steeple of the world, the Ulmer Munster, is totally missing. I learned it's the same in the UK. Kind regards, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto2 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Wherever there are areas of MSFS photogrammetry, those areas would probably not be improved that much though London is a great example where Orbx imporved on a MSFS photogrammety city with an addon pack. Outside of the photogrammety areas (which is most of the world) there are plenty of opportunities for POI improvement as well as some other improvements where the Asobo engine has not done a good job. For example, TrueEarth England has hundreds of castles, churches etc. modeled throughout the countryside that are inTrueEarth Great Britain but not in MSFS now and I doubt that they will appear when the UK World Update is released by MSFS in the coming days. Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Got it , I understand now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayharris51 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 12:44 AM, stiletto2 said: Wherever there are areas of MSFS photogrammetry, those areas would probably not be improved that much though London is a great example where Orbx imporved on a MSFS photogrammety city with an addon pack. Outside of the photogrammety areas (which is most of the world) there are plenty of opportunities for POI improvement as well as some other improvements where the Asobo engine has not done a good job. For example, TrueEarth England has hundreds of castles, churches etc. modeled throughout the countryside that are inTrueEarth Great Britain but not in MSFS now and I doubt that they will appear when the UK World Update is released by MSFS in the coming days. Rod Hi, I agree there's a lot of potential generally for Orbx in MSFS. I already have France VFR's POIs for France which are aren't too bad at all and definitely add realism to a rather bland landscape (Windmills, Water Towers and most importantly reasonably realistic churches). POIs are missing in the UK, e.g. Winchester Cathedral, as well as those already mentioned. I am not sure many will be added to the UK update...? Good if I am proved wrong though. One area in the MSFS World that is given little attention more generally and may be off topic (apologies) is an area where Orbs was strongest in P3D - PNW, PFJ, NRM, S, Alaska. I would buy, PAJN, PASI, PAKT, CYBD - to get rid of the river anomalies in the local valleys, and PAVD and PAYA. Come on Orbx can you release these for MSFS? And whilst I am off topic :-) what about the UK airports, Shoreham, Popham Southampton, Goodwood....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosqr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 4:30 PM, BradB said: I guess I’m confused by this thread , why do we need TE for MSFS ? . When I do VFR flights over Spokane WA every building , church , park , highway etc is there in very high details . I see the need for the upgraded airports but for me I am perfectly happy with the overall scenery in MSFS . Hi John Well, it is the USA But in many other places for example Turkey, tons of POI are missing in Istambul As well as in many other areas. I believe the update of the USA also helped in improving many cities Cheers Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, carlosqr said: Hi John Well, it is the USA But in many other places for example Turkey, tons of POI are missing in Istambul As well as in many other areas. I believe the update of the USA also helped in improving many cities Cheers Carlos Well, it is the USA ..........After yesterday ; any room in Costa Rica for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosqr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, BradB said: Well, it is the USA ..........After yesterday ; any room in Costa Rica for me . What happened? Just saw it Sure there is plenty of room here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGunard Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I notice A.N.Other publisher has released a POI pack including literally thousands of masts, castles, lighthouses, pylons etc. etc. for a certain country just a short hop across the channel. The US and UK are crying out for something similar! (even despsite what's coming on Tuesday, and in the previous update) Could I ask is this something Orbx, or one of their partners is thinking of doing? Or are city-packs and airports going to be it from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdboomen Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, SGunard said: what's coming on Tuesday The update is postponed by a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGunard Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, bvdboomen said: The update is postponed by a week. Yes, just seen that on Aus Flight Simmer . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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