YAMBA1 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 After my first Flight and landing at Tamworth NSW (YSTW) in a Dash C8 Q400 I got booted OUT as Captain. I wonder why! They told me I am too old for flying . I am now assigned to a Desk job. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I had this happen many times in this plane, it's a wonder plane but kept messing up my P3D version. It would always hang on closing, does this happen to you? I'd love to reinstall it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradB Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Happens to all of us at some point ..... Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jack Sawyer said: It would always hang on closing, does this happen to you? No Jack, not once . I have P3d V4 and this seems a pretty stable platform/simulator. However the Majestic Q400 is a difficult and extremely busy plane to fly. I only been flying it for a few weeks now , and it took a complete new learning curve to get acquainted with the dynamics of it . No similarity with the PMDG 737 . I took it step by step learning the Start, takeoff , Climb, Cruise ,Approach.... But for the landing stage the plane seems to do some weird maneuvers and most times I loose complete control. I guess perseverance is the key to success. This reminds me, that, as a passenger I cannot recall having ever had a smooth landing in those noisy Dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, YAMBA1 said: No Jack, not once . I have P3d V4 and this seems a pretty stable platform/simulator. However the Majestic Q400 is a difficult and extremely busy plane to fly. I only been flying it for a few weeks now , and it took a complete new learning curve to get acquainted with the dynamics of it . No similarity with the PMDG 737 . I took it step by step learning the Start, takeoff , Climb, Cruise ,Approach.... But for the landing stage the plane seems to do some weird maneuvers and most times I loose complete control. I guess perseverance is the key to success. This reminds me, that, as a passenger I cannot recall having ever had a smooth landing in those noisy Dash. I used to fly this plane with a friend in the UK, we'd fly it weekly and it was shared cockpit. He's an instructor and I'm pretty confident in the cockpits of complex planes so it was a huge amount of fun. I loved this plane but 100% of the time when I shut down P3D 4.x it would hang P3D. So I asked a bunch of other people and they said the same thing, I think you're one of the very few fortunate ones not to have this problem. It really is an awesome piece of work as every last thing is modeled. I loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickel Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Don’t chop the power until the main’s wheels are firmly on the ground. It takes some getting used to. I know I’m not. Can’t help pulling back the power... I’ve hardly flown the thing lately, but planning to base myself in Cairns for a few days flying it. Perfect time of year to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Mickel said: Don’t chop the power until the main’s wheels are firmly on the ground. It takes some getting used to. Thank you Mickel for this tip. I read about it but I am still puzzle how to maintain the calculated V app and V ga speed without reducing power. Sounds like a catch 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Jack Sawyer said: I used to fly this plane with a friend in the UK, we'd fly it weekly and it was shared cockpit. He's an instructor and I'm pretty confident in the cockpits of complex planes so it was a huge amount of fun. How lucky you are Jack having a friend who is an Instructor. The shared cockpit facility of the Majestic must be the ultimate way to learn how to fly this machine I have to check on that Forum to see if I could meet someone to fly with or perhaps even as an observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IW001 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Mr Yamba As Mickel said, you need to keep some power on until the main wheels are on the ground. Don't let the speed decay too much until you are on the ground. As you get used to it, you can then get the hang of slower landings. To begin with, try not to load the Q too heavy and don't use full flap for a while. For what it is worth, I haven't blown tyres since I first purchased the Q, it's not really that difficult to land if you fly it right to the ground. If you try & stall it "on", you will get into trouble. Send me a PM about shared cockpit time. I've never done that, but it might be interesting. Cheerrs Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Jack Sawyer said: It would always hang on closing, does this happen to you? Sorry Jack I never noticed it before . Yes on closing P3d flashes a "not responding". But since P3D always start again without a hiccup, I never took any attention . Thanks to bring this bug to my attention Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, YAMBA1 said: How lucky you are Jack having a friend who is an Instructor. The shared cockpit facility of the Majestic must be the ultimate way to learn how to fly this machine I have to check on that Forum to see if I could meet someone to fly with or perhaps even as an observer. Thanks Charles, I had this plane learned like you wouldn't believe, it was all I flew in the sim for a long time. My friend teaches 737 pilots and he liked to fly shared so with this plane and its cool ability to fly shared it was a no-brainer, we had a loti of good times flying all around Europe using real routes, liveries, and SIDs and STARs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 hours ago, YAMBA1 said: Sorry Jack I never noticed it before . Yes on closing P3d flashes a "not responding". But since P3D always start again without a hiccup, I never took any attention . Thanks to bring this bug to my attention Charles Yup, that's exactly what I was talking about, it actually corrupted some files. I brought this to their attention many times but was met with hostile reactions so I binned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Hello Gentlemen, that is a bit odd, I have had the Dash 8 since it came out and have not yet seen the effect on FSX or on P3D v4. I have the middle "PRO" edition but as I am so bad at flying, I have wear and tear disabled. In this way, I can sometimes get it back down onto the ground but it needs a very long runway and a lot of brakes and reverse thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello Gentlemen, that is a bit odd, I have had the Dash 8 since it came out and have not yet seen the effect on FSX or on P3D v4. I have the middle "PRO" edition but as I am so bad at flying, I have wear and tear disabled. In this way, I can sometimes get it back down onto the ground but it needs a very long runway and a lot of brakes and reverse thrust. You not having problems like I describe is odd Nick as my informal poll and PM's through the years has shown that something like 99% of people have their sims hang on closing. And like I said, they know about it, more's the pity because I really love this plane. Yeah, landing this thing can be a challenge, you have no choice but to come in fast. It's because of those very narrow wings. I bought the entire video series from Ben when he was making those cool videos, I wish he still was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: I can sometimes get it back down onto the ground but it needs a very long runway and a lot of brakes and reverse thrust. This seems to be my story exactly Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Harmes Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 They don't call it the "Crash 8" for nothing. Nice pics, and remember, any landing where you can walk away is a good landing. @YAMBA1 I know you were sort of mucking around, but if you are interested, there are some very helpful and insightful courses from Airline2Sim on the Majestic Dash 8. I have watched the videos more times than I have flown the aircraft, and they are very enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Scott Harmes said: I have watched the videos more times than I have flown the aircraft, and they are very enjoyable. Thank you for the video link. I will have a look. I once told my children for every hour I fly, I spend 3 to 4 hours on the tarmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickel Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Kept an eye on what I've been doing over the last couple of days in case it helps: Landing around 28 tonnes Flaps 15 Vapp 126kts Didn't reduce the power at all in the flare, raised the nose just a touch to soften the landing Pulled power levers back to disc once the mains were down. Don't usually put any reverse on, but that's runway (and 'float', which this shouldn't) dependent. Gave up using flaps 35 very early on. Might need them for Lord Howe though. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMBA1 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mickel said: Kept an eye on what I've been doing over the last couple of days in case it helps: Landing around 28 tonnes Flaps 15 Vapp 126kts Didn't reduce the power at all in the flare, raised the nose just a touch to soften the landing Pulled power levers back to disc once the mains were down. Don't usually put any reverse on, but that's runway (and 'float', which this shouldn't) dependent. Gave up using flaps 35 very early on. Might need them for Lord Howe though. Thanks Mickel for the tips . I did a lot of touch and Go without any rte loaded in the fmc or other settings .Just free flying. I did the landings on Coffs Harbour ( no ils) Most ladings where pretty successful. But still missed a few. Should the condition lever be at full rotation or 900 rev is sufficient. I just finished the fly from Coffs to Tamworth and that was successful I was happy with my landing On another subject have you ever flown in shared cockpit? IW001 Ian and I are trying to set one up but we have to overcome a hurdle of problems Best regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickel Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Hi I always knock the condition levers back to full forward. Any time I've been in the back of a Dash 8, them up front have done that, so if it's good enough for them... I've not tried the shared cockpit on anything. The limit of my online flying was a couple of Vatsim flights and Flight before the plug got pulled. Pleased you're getting the hang of it. I think it's a great plane in the sim. Can't wait for the -300, which is in the pipeline for 'one day'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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