B77X Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I am comparing VAS with and without SCA enabled at FSDT KLAX, in the cockpit of the PMDG 737NGX Here is remaining VAS with SCA enabled This is crazy. I can't fly anywhere in this. I am not using any AI traffic. No boats. No cars. No other airplanes. Nothing. Now compare this VAS number to starting FSX Acceleration with SCA disabled Where did almost 2GB go??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Why are you surprised? This has been an issue since day one and has been discussed at length, here and elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B77X Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stewart Hobson said: Why are you surprised? This has been an issue since day one and has been discussed at length, here and elsewhere. So there is no fix? I don't keep track of everything here, this is the first I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Just now, B77X said: So there is no fix? I don't keep track of everything here, this is the first I've heard. Some folks turn off SCA altogether when flying tubeliners into LAX. I don't fly the things myself, but mostly GA and I've found turning down autogen density to normal and cloud draw distance to minimum (full left) helps a lot with vas usage. Your discovery to disable SCA is probably the most reasonable solution for you. Others have managed this way and don't seem to have problems as far as I know. It's a very busy, dense area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Sawatzky Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Isn't there also a control/config panel in FTX Central to disable some features for this reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Clarke Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 It will be interesting to see if the new OLC NA is as demanding on the system with SCA disabled. I know that with SCA disabled and using Megascenery Southern California photoscenery ( and far less autogen than SCA) KLAX area is still very demanding even with low ai. It is just one helluva demanding area especially with such a large city and dozens of airports within the traffic ai spawning radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B77X Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 I am really upset, I've had SCA for a while but never flyed in the Los Angeles area until now. This ruins the scenery for me, I don't see anything to help me free up 1gb or more of vas I need. I can fly out of KSFO, CYVR, KSEA and not have this VAS issue that I have with SCA. Is there a planned patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro VH-JET Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Hi B77X, I have not seen this VAS monitoring tool and would be interested to try it. Would it be possible to provide a DL link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dow Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 24 minutes ago, B77X said: I am really upset, I've had SCA for a while but never flyed in the Los Angeles area until now. This ruins the scenery for me, I don't see anything to help me free up 1gb or more of vas I need. I can fly out of KSFO, CYVR, KSEA and not have this VAS issue that I have with SCA. Is there a planned patch? FSx was originally coded to allow the use of the type of aircraft and scenery that came out of the box. That was more than enough. Since then developers have consistently pushed the envelope in resource usage, each developer has their product lying within the capabilities of the sim. However, when you get two or more of these high end products together, the 32 bit coding in FSX shows its limitations. Unfortunately, if you choose to fly resource hungry aircraft such as PMDG, then you will need to make sacrifices in terms of the level of scenery that the sim can display. Equally, if the scenery is the most important element (as it is for me) then you have to choose a suitable level of aircraft complexity to go with the heavy demands of the scenery. No amount of work by developers can resolve this conundrum, it's part and parcel of the FSX limitations. Unfortunately but it's a fact. Just the same as if you have an airliner. You can load it up to its limit and fly across the country but no more. Or, you can limit the load and fly halfway around the world, but you can't do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Jeff Gilmour said: I have not seen this VAS monitoring tool and would be interested to try it. Would it be possible to provide a DL link please. Hello Jeff, You can find one at the Avsim Library, file name vas_monitor12.zip It requires FSUIPC to be installed and is for FSX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro VH-JET Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Hi B77X, belay my last request, I found it (spilfred.com) in the Avsim forum, installed now. Thankyou Nick, just tried Avsim Library extended search vas_monitor12.zip but came up empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeBird Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 http://spilfred.com/VASMonitor/publish.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro VH-JET Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Thanks FreeBird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B77X Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 13 hours ago, John Dow said: FSx was originally coded to allow the use of the type of aircraft and scenery that came out of the box. That was more than enough. Since then developers have consistently pushed the envelope in resource usage, each developer has their product lying within the capabilities of the sim. However, when you get two or more of these high end products together, the 32 bit coding in FSX shows its limitations. Unfortunately, if you choose to fly resource hungry aircraft such as PMDG, then you will need to make sacrifices in terms of the level of scenery that the sim can display. Equally, if the scenery is the most important element (as it is for me) then you have to choose a suitable level of aircraft complexity to go with the heavy demands of the scenery. No amount of work by developers can resolve this conundrum, it's part and parcel of the FSX limitations. Unfortunately but it's a fact. Just the same as if you have an airliner. You can load it up to its limit and fly across the country but no more. Or, you can limit the load and fly halfway around the world, but you can't do both. None of that explains how it is possible for the SCA scenery to consume almost 2GB!!! of textures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Clarke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 To be fair it is not the whole of SCA it is the LA Basin area that is extremely demanding. Also you need to consider how much the PMDG plane is contributing to your VAS issue at this location. I know this doesn't help you but John Dow's explanation is accurate. Again, not what you want, but what is the VAS readings if you fly a default VFR plane at KLAX with the same settings as for when you fly the PMDG plane. The results will indicate the performance hit that the plane causes. Then try a default VFR plane with all scenery settings at Normal and very little ai? The situation at KLAX is the same for everyone so I am afraid you have to live with it and trim your settings accordingly. The rest of SCA for me is fine with high fps and with traffic. Just LA basin is the killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B77X Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, jjaycee1 said: To be fair it is not the whole of SCA it is the LA Basin area that is extremely demanding. Also you need to consider how much the PMDG plane is contributing to your VAS issue at this location. I know this doesn't help you but John Dow's explanation is accurate. Again, not what you want, but what is the VAS readings if you fly a default VFR plane at KLAX with the same settings as for when you fly the PMDG plane. The results will indicate the performance hit that the plane causes. Then try a default VFR plane with all scenery settings at Normal and very little ai? The situation at KLAX is the same for everyone so I am afraid you have to live with it and trim your settings accordingly. The rest of SCA for me is fine with high fps and with traffic. Just LA basin is the killer. Again, I will say again, that both those screenshots are with the PMDG airplane. Without SCA enabled, in the PMDG, I have over 2gb of VAS free. The SCA scenery consumes almost 2GB of textures. That is not acceptable no matter what airplane I am flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 As the subject has been very well debated elsewhere and this debate has stalled, I think it is time to draw a close to the topic. Thanks to all who contributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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