fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi all I'm not a customer yet, but looking at the NRM textures in the product preview shots, i'm kinda disapointed I thought ORBX has custom textures, if that is so, then why does they look like default ones ? I know this is photoreal, but look at the colors http://imageshack.us...44/glacier.jpg/ Where is that white-yellowish of the peaks in ORBX pictures? instead, what i see is that ugly greyish default rock colors and why the green is so dark, and not lighter and more vivid ? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Routley Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi Fatboy, (Holger, Tim and/or Matt may wish to add to the following ...) It may help if you can tell us which of the 60 promo shots you are referring to, for NRM. I've just had a look at them all and can't find any that look like default textures. On that note, it may help to see which default textures you feel look similar. In answer to your question, the textures are indeed custom, as is the landclass development, with some selected areas of photoreal blended to these. Any "default" textures are fairly quickly eliminated during development, as they stand out horrifically! "Slope calls" that FSX produces for rocky faces look different to landclass textures ... so perhaps this is what you mean? There is a good reason for this, as becomes obvious when you see a stretched orthoimage placed over a vertically inclined slope! With regard to the photoreal imagery, most of the vegetation colour balance on uncorrected orthoimagery is ... how does one put this? ... errr ... wrong. Typically this results in excessive blue and cyan tinge, and over-saturated colours. Sadly, this is often by developers resampled "as-is" into the sim in the belief that it reflects reality. I have often wondered if some developers have dyschromatopsia! Some of the mountainous features in NRM and CRM have been placed in photoreal form, but the colours have been carefully adjusted with the in sim appearance matched to that of photos taken from planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I know this is photoreal, but look at the colors http://imageshack.us...44/glacier.jpg/ The colours in this photoreal scenery do not look like in real world at al! I'm glad Orbx textures do nor look like this. Wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John York Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I think a dictionary will be my next purchase Ian. There're a couple of ways to skin this particula cat Fatboy. There is a very easy and quick way of altering the colours Ian if you find after purchasing you still don't like them and that's to tweak your monitor's, or nVidia settings brightness adjustments up a little. Another thing that you can invest in after getting the scenery is nbseries which can be adjusted to lighten it up a little. Its quite subtle but personally, I also find the FTX North America colours in their raw state a little darker than I would like for my taste but as I use my monitor also for photography I have had to calibrate it so that the printer shows what I see on the screen. nbseries alone has done it for me. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Ok, I admit that photoreal image is not high quality nor well color-balanced But... Look at this picture of Glacier Mountains Look at the contrast between colors of the plain, forest, peaks FTX NRM FSX Default To me it appears that Microsoft has done a better job to contrast the different types of terrain Those peaks look much closer to the real ones in the photoreal image than ORBX which is disapointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John York Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Horrid! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 As a final note In PNW product page i found this picture, it appears that is photo blended in the terrain, anyway that is how peaks should look like Why i said the textures look like FSX default ? Well ... if anyone can spot a difference between this image and the NRM pictures above ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Again clearly visible peaks (in contrast with the forest and other terrain) I wish i could see those peaks like that in NRM, contrasting colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Goff Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Certain peaks are made from orthoimagery but correcting orthoimagery for 5 seasons is not feasibly for every single peak. Others have to be done using the landclass method in which custom textures are used but still in conjunction with the landclass system which simply cannot provide the detail that orthoimagery does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-17 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I really can't believe that there's someone who likes the default FSX textures more than ORBX PNW textures... But if so, there's a simple (and cheap) solution for you: Stay happy with default FSX and don't buy PNW... Regards Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
member111333 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Well, beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. The young dynamic tycoons favour Paris Hilton, the teenagers Kim Kardashian, my uncle likes M. Monroe but there is only one Helen of Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Ok seems like a missunderstanding here First, i was talking about NRM area (PNW image was just an example of contrasting colors) Second, i didn't said that FSX textures are of a better quality, just that they seem to provide more contrast betwen different types of terrain Third, i know that it's not possible to create every peak in photoreal textures, that's not the point I just wanted to point out the fact that from the preview pictures of NRM there are no peaks visible, like there were no custom textures made for those rocky peaks, it seems as if there are no peaks at all, everywhere it's the same underlying green textures similar to those in FSX covered by trees, and that's all there is sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 I just hoped that, since it's called the Rocky Mountains, i would see some "rocks" in the pictures, but it seems that there are no custom textures for those "rocks" or peaks, call them whatever u like, and also a custom landclass that calls those textures for Like i said before, that's too bad, i think a set of custom textures for those peaks in Glacier National Park and not only, could have been poossible The way it looks now (green textures covered with trees everywhere) there are no peaks visible It's a shame though, as from the pictures the rest of the region looks amazing, urban & rural areas, autogen, improved airports etc... Hope I made my point, sorry if i upset someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi there, it's quite possible that the locations shown in the NRM previews look quite different in the actual product. That's because the websites for the products are generally set up about 6 weeks before release (when pre-pay starts) while the development team is still madly working on landclass, textures, roads, etc. Thus, I'd suggest browsing through the user screenshots and videos for a better look at the final product. Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teecee Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 A bit unfair to post that last screenie, a professionally set up real life shot. After all, we are talking about a $50 flight simulator here.. I think I had better shut up now. Teecee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Me again, here's a close-to-release screenshot set that I liked: http://www.orbxsyste...-a-part2-16pic/ Clearly, there's an upper treeline with a believable transition from subalpine forest to alpine meadows to rock to snow & ice. Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Thanks for the feedback on the website screenshots. I will make a point of updating the product page to reflect the final released product, instead of the beta shots we have on display now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 A bit unfair to post that last screenie, a professionally set up real life shot. After all, we are talking about a $50 flight simulator here.. I think I had better shut up now. Teecee. That wasn't my intention, sorry, i really apreciate what ORBX team has done for FS community, and i'm considering to buy some regions Me again, here's a close-to-release screenshot set that I liked: http://www.orbxsyste...-a-part2-16pic/ Clearly, there's an upper treeline with a believable transition from subalpine forest to alpine meadows to rock to snow & ice. Cheers, Holger OMG that was exactly what i was looking for, the pictures look great and very close to reality The green land in the penultimate picture contrasting with the forest and the peaks in the further view it's what i was talking about, contrasting colors Actually I wanted to re-post all the screenshots from the link because all are very good, but i think one should do Thanks for the feedback on the website screenshots. I will make a point of updating the product page to reflect the final released product, instead of the beta shots we have on display now. Please ... do justice to the product SIR !!! ...... Really impresive those shots that Mr. Holger gave me Now if only a patch for NRM would be released ... and some pretty airports also .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Harris Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 In those shots linked above I use REX2 for the cloud textures, and a mixture of the Orbx weather themes included with the region packs, plus of course the wonderful and free ENB bloom mod, NRM is a hoot to fly around, with so many great airports and textures, if your not there already your missing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Also keep in mind Vlad Maly has made a freeware HD airport CEN4 and soon he'll release CEJ4 - both for NRM, and we have some payware airports also in the works. We intend to release many airports for the region, so it won't be neglected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 These images look awesome indeed http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/28065-nrm-omg/page__hl__nrm__fromsearch__1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Routley Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Looks like we're looking at the same pictures now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy84 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Yes Ian, in general the textures look very good now in those pictures that Holger gave me and the ones i found in the screenshots forum, and provide decent contrast, but i still wish there was a little more contrast between peaks, plains, and forest Like in this picture Also if you look at screenshots of the FTX airports, one thing immediately strikes me, the variety of colors and contrast between them, although i know there are photoreal textures involved, and i'm NOT saying that there should be photo textures also for the mountains, but instead a little more variety in texture colors and contrast between them, for example a little more brighter tones for rocky peaks would make them more visible from a distance and easier to distuingish from the surroundings This is very close to what i think should be like If i could i would edit those textures color tones myself, i would give those peaks a little more brightnes and maybe a touch of yellowish tone Anyway, forgive me for loosing your precious time, i know u guys work very hard to provide these beautifull sceneries Thank you (promise not to bother you guys anymore) ps: maybe this will be considered for future mountain areas, or even a patch for NRM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ok the website images have now been updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J van E Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 These images look awesome indeed http://www.orbxsyste...__fromsearch__1 Thank you, thank you. BTW I see now that in that post the third picture is from someone else LOL! Apperently someone overwrote a file of mine on that fileserver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Sandri Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Since were talking abotu the website, why do airports liek YSCB have the "NEW" logo when they were realsed a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Since were talking abotu the website, why do airports liek YSCB have the "NEW" logo when they were realsed a year ago? Because I am slack and lazy, and have yet to update many areas of the website I try to update the site whenever possible, in between other tasks and duties. Thanks for highlighting those 'new' tags; I'll endeavour to fix those ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebgee Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 @fatboy84, You might also keep in mind that the real photo you're comparing looks like it has nice clear skies... while the Orbx screenshot has haze/clouds/etc... which would, naturally, affect the apparent contrast between the peaks and the flora... Throw some fog in your photo and see what happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Kane Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I actually really enjoy the NRM textures. The best route I've flown is from any Calgary airport to Spokane, Washington. This takes you over all the different terrain NRM has to offer. Prairie land to foothills, mountains and over the arid areas of north east Washington State. I've flown this route a few times and quite enjoy it. The Screenshot forum on here is the best source for seeing what FTX can do. You will see a lot more coverage of all the scenery packs in the Screenshot Forum with the latest updates as a lot of members on here keep their software up to date. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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