jt233 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hello, So I just purchased PAJN airport for P3D V4 when I went to do a test flight at the airport starting on runway 8 then the plane starts above the ground and just falls and crashes into the runway. I went into the Airport Elevation tool but did not find PAJN in the list so can't correct the elevation. Any ideas on how to fix? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_YVR Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Do you also have FTX SAK installed and if so did you disable the FTX SAK PAJN airport files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt233 Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said: Do you also have FTX SAK installed and if so did you disable the FTX SAK PAJN airport files? Yes I have FTX SAK installed but didn't disable the files. Do you know where I can find a guide on how to do it? I tried searching online but didn't see it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_YVR Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Mine works great with zero elevation issues, I have disabled the following files from FTX_NA\FTX_NA_SAK05_SCENERY\scenery ADE_FTX_SAK_PAJN.BGL, ADE_FTX_SAK_PAJN_CVX.bgl and FTX_SAK_objects_PAJN_PLC.bgl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt233 Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said: Mine works great with zero elevation issues, I have disabled the following files from FTX_NA\FTX_NA_SAK05_SCENERY\scenery ADE_FTX_SAK_PAJN.BGL, ADE_FTX_SAK_PAJN_CVX.bgl and FTX_SAK_objects_PAJN_PLC.bgl. When you say to disable the files Are you talking about in the scenery manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_YVR Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 No, just disable the actual files. Just rename them by adding an .OFF to the end of the filename so that it's no longer a .BGL file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt233 Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Dave_YVR said: No, just disable the actual files. Just rename them by adding an .OFF to the end of the filename so that it's no longer a .BGL file. So I just tried this as well as reinstalling the airport but it did not fix the problem. The airport looks fine visually so I'm not sure if it's an elevation problem. Also if I start with the plane at the gate it loads with the plane on the ground like it should but when I try and start on runway 8 then the plane loads in the air above the runway. Any other ideas? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Hi there, Orbx PAJN works as intended without having to deactivate any SAK files; otherwise we would have implemented this through the PAJN installer or control panel. To help you check that there's no other add-on active that causes the specific issue you're having I'd recommend running a Windows Explorer search of your entire flightsim folder tree for all .bgl files that include the airport's ICAO as part of its name -- e.g., search term *PAJN*.bgl -- and posta screenshot of the results with full file names and folder paths. An example of such a list is shown here: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/134687-kmry-elevation-issue/?do=findComment&comment=1195382 How to post screenshots in our forum: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/122913-how-to-post-a-screenshot/ Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt233 Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Thank you for the help here are some screenshots of the info you requested plus a screenshot of the problem. Here is a link to the album since I have more than one pic https://imgur.com/a/hkX5fNQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Hi again, I'm not sure this has anything to do with the issue but is it correct that your P3D.exe resides directly in "G:\Program Files\"? That's pretty unusual though shouldn't cause problems as long as you originally installed P3D this way and thus the Windows registry path is correct. Typically, what you describes in your first post happens when the runway start position (as coded in the airport facilities file) is lower than the airport's flatten polygon. In these cases the aircraft gets "squeezed" out of the ground and launched ~500ft into the air. From your list I'm not seeing any obvious files that would cause the discrepancy between the start position and the flatten polygon. Have you tried with different aircraft to make sure that it's not related to a specific aircraft? Cheers, Holger P.S.: Unrelated to any of the above. Unless you specifically prefer to use P3Ds new "SpeedTree" models I'd recommend unchecking the "Dynamic 3D Autogen Vegetation" checkbox in the display settings menu. The SpeeTree models' light colors clash with our Region's ground texture and also cost quite a few more frames than the "legacy" models. See https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/136268-speedtrees-toggle-onoff-for-ftx-in-p3d-v4/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt233 Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 17 hours ago, Holger Sandmann said: Hi again, I'm not sure this has anything to do with the issue but is it correct that your P3D.exe resides directly in "G:\Program Files\"? That's pretty unusual though shouldn't cause problems as long as you originally installed P3D this way and thus the Windows registry path is correct. Typically, what you describes in your first post happens when the runway start position (as coded in the airport facilities file) is lower than the airport's flatten polygon. In these cases the aircraft gets "squeezed" out of the ground and launched ~500ft into the air. From your list I'm not seeing any obvious files that would cause the discrepancy between the start position and the flatten polygon. Have you tried with different aircraft to make sure that it's not related to a specific aircraft? Cheers, Holger P.S.: Unrelated to any of the above. Unless you specifically prefer to use P3Ds new "SpeedTree" models I'd recommend unchecking the "Dynamic 3D Autogen Vegetation" checkbox in the display settings menu. The SpeeTree models' light colors clash with our Region's ground texture and also cost quite a few more frames than the "legacy" models. See https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/136268-speedtrees-toggle-onoff-for-ftx-in-p3d-v4/ I installed P3D on a second drive and the folder just got named that lol. Don't worry I only have P3D installed there. Also I did try it with another airplane but got the same thing and when I started at one gate it worked fine but at another it started in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I have the same issue with fsx (maybe I shouldnt be posting in the prepr3d forum but it's the same issue). screenshots attached. PAJN airport is fine except for the runways which are at a different elevation so the plane sinks on arrival and has to climb up to the runway for takeoff. I have PAJN near the top in the scenery library and have checked for interference from other .bgl files - screenshot attached. apart from the My Traffic file they are all from the ORBX folder. I dont have the FTX Southern Alaska installed, but I did buy the airport as a stand alone. I have lots of ORBX airports and scenery and this is the only one which gives me a headache. Any help appreciated, cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Hello, how does it look if you remove the My Traffic .bgl file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 No difference I'm afraid cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 ok. I capitulated and bought Southern Alaska region. It has fixed the problem (but PAJN is sold as as a working standalone airport). Cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Sawatzky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 From the product page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yep, ok. Fair enough. And Southern Alaska scenery is really something thanks Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Whitehorse (CYXY) has elevation issues Well I now have Southern Alaska installed and PAJN works well. S Alaska region includes much of Northern British Columbia, including Whitehorse in Canada (CYXY). This is how the Whitehorse airport appears now, with the elevation of the area around the airport above that of the runways and taxiways. I tried changing the active .bgl file from the ORBX CYXY file to the default, (renaming ABP_CYXY_Default.Inactive) but it made no difference and I have reverted to the ORBX file configuration as shown in the file search screenshot. I also have FTX Global Base and Global Vector installed. Any ideas please? cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Are you familiar with the Vector AEC tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kidd Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Hi Stewart, well I wasn't familiar with it, But I am now! Worked a treat on this airport and hopefully I have the means to fix other airports if similar issues arise in future. Many thanks Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Hello, Ian. Glad you got it sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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