RESOLVED Texture missing at KSFF (Felts Field)

[spud]

Noticed a couple of days ago that KSFF (Felts Field) has some missing textures for grass and trees.  Scenery worked fine after installation when purchased 20 Dec. 2012.

Have not accessed the airport for a couple of months and when I did the clumps of grass and trees have no textures (solid white).

I have searched for non-ORBX files, tried all four seasons in FSX, re-installed the airport, latest ORBX Libraries and slapped my forehead several times but can not seem to locate the missing textures involved.

Can you please direct me to a solution to the problem.  In return I'll send my first born!!!

 

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/03/cWXxA.jpg" border="0" />

 

 

[Alex Goff]

Hi Spud,

 

Looks like you have a case of ObjectFlow not working. Navigate to the airport folder (...Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_NA\FTX_AA_KSFF\scenery) and run ModuleInstaller.exe. From there select "Install Flight Simulator module(s)".

 

Regards, Alex

[spud]

Thanks Tim,

as I do not have the KMRY airport I went to the ....\FTX_AA_KFSS\scenery folder and ran ModuleInstaller.exe from there, I assume the program is the same one?

The results are entirely negative.  Textures still not showing at KSFF.  Any other tip I can try?

[Alex Goff]

Oops, copy pasted the airport and forgot to change the ICAO. In that case there are a few things to check. First are you using FSUIPC? In the past FSUIPC has interfered with ObjectFlow if something goes wrong with the installation so reinstalling FSUIPC may help. Another thing to check, you have NZNI and SAK which both have ObjectFlow elements. If you have it installed, could you look around Skagway in SAK between May and October to see if the cruise ship is present? Then check again before May or after October and see if it has disappeared. 

 

If you don't have SAK you can check the hot air balloons in NZNI and see if they appear or disappear based on the month. Checking either of these shows if the issue is with the ObjectFlow module for KSFF or if it is an issue with all the modules you have installed.

[spud]

I'll delete and re-install FSUIPC as a first fix and if not sucessfull will check Skagway and NZNI.  Do you have a location for the hot air balloons?.

I also have AI shipping from RTMM installed and it has ships in and out of Skagway so that may interfere with that check so I would perfer NZNI balloons as I have no addon for that region other than the update 001 from last month.

OK I did a search for balloons in NZNI and found the posts in the screenshot forums.  I never look at that particular forum so missed the info on the balloons.

As I thought the RTMM AI shipping is showing at Skagway not the ORBX shipping.  The Norwegian Star is present even in Dec.

Off to find balloons in NZNI!

[spud]

Well,

partial sucess.  I found single balloons at Hastings, and Masterton.  Riverhead is nowhere in the goto airport screen of FSX so could not check that area out.  As for Hamilton I have checked it in both Dec. and March at 0800 and on just one check I found a single balloon that disappeared after I flew by and did not reappear after reversing course.

Could you provide a Lat/Long for the festival and a month/time as well?

In short there are SOME balloons in NZNI as shown in the screenshot post but I could not duplicate the festival at Hamilton during March at 0800.

Of course the most important part is that KSFF textures are still missing after spending the past 8 hours looking at and trying the various solutions offered so far.  I think its time to look for a cold beer now!!!!

[spud]

Hello??

any further info on the missing textures @ KSFF?

[Jarrad Marshall]

G'day Spud,

 

Could you please post a couple of screenshots of the same spot with different months (perhaps Aug/Sep/Nov). And just to check, you have CRM installed? And lastly, does it make a difference if you have FTX Central set to NA or Global Hybrid?

 

Cheers,

Jarrad

[spud]

Screen shots are in post #1.  Attached is screen shot report on installed CRM and NRM Etc. Makes no difference what area, season, time of day ect. is set.  I have re-install KSFF, and as you see from the posts tried all that Tim has recommended. The problem is simply missing textures as far as I can tell as the grass and some trees are pure white.

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/04/EwXKv.jpg" border="0" />

[Jarrad Marshall]

G'day Spud,

 

Sorry - I can only see one screenshot at my end in your first post. I ask about other seasons as the trees/grass displaying white are all natureflow hard winter variations - the other vegetation (autogen) is displaying fine. If you could please put up or link to other screenshots from the other months I suggested that will help pinpoint the issue further. 

 

Cheers,

Jarrad

[spud]

Jarrad,

Thanks for your help mate, your correct about only one screen shot.  That is because the scenery does not change no matter what season/month, ORBX region selected in FTX Central or anything else I try.  The grass and trees never change.  In hard winter the airport is covered in snow but the grass etc. are sill all white.  Can anyone tell me the name of the textures for these items so I can see if I have them and exactly where they should be located.

 

FWIW I am attaching more screenshots taken in May and Feb. both in NA and Global/Hybrid to show the same missing textures.

The original screen shot (post #1) was in OCT w/Global/Hybrid.

 

Feb (Global/Hybrid)

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/05/4lAP.jpg" border="0" />

 

May (North America)

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/05/rIjVe.jpg" border="0" />

 

Feb (North America)

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/05/ljdfC.jpg" border="0" />

 

 

 

These are not the exact months you requested but are all different seasons and in both Global/Hybrid and North America settings.  As you can see the textures are incorrect in all shots.

[spud]

Apparently nobody know what textures are used for the grass and trees at KSFF!  In my mind that would be the first thing I would look for to see if they are missing from my install.  If I have them then the problem becomes another matter but after 3 days I still have no idea if I am missing textures or not.

[John Dow]

You can check your FSX.cfg file to ensure the module is correctly installed.  

 

My FSX.cfg has the following line in the text:  I:\FSX\ORBX\FTX_NA\FTX_AA_KSFF\Scenery\ObjectFlow_KSFF.dll.cqbhkuhbhllalhztrwuithcceuucwkchlzcqzkhz=1

 

Also, what's the path to your FSX?  If you use the default x86 programs path it can lead to permissions issues that can stop modules working properly.  My suspicions are aroused by the fact that the airfield was working and now it doesn't, as though a Windows update might have been involved.

[Jarrad Marshall]

G'day Spud,

 

Thanks for those shots. Just to clarify - you aren't missing any textures (if you did, you'd see solid-black grass or no grass at all), but there is something corrupted with the ObjectFlow that is not allowing the grass and natureflow seasons to display correctly.

 

Could you try the following:

 

1. Go to your KSFF control panel (via FTX Central) and enable ALL options.

2. Download and unzip the attached files and drop them into your Flight Simulator X/ORBX\FTX_NA\FTX_AA_KSFF/scenery folder (backup and overwrite the originals).

 

Cheers,

Jarrad

KSFF_Original_Vegetation_Placement.zip

[spud]

John,

Path to FSX is C:|FSX.  Don't put anything FSX related in the x86 folder and I have UFC disabled completely.

 

Attached is my Scenery.cfg file showing the KSFF entry.  Not the same as yours, nothing about Objectsflow that I can see.

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/06/x0YrL.jpg" border="0" />

 

 

Jarrad,

The four VEG Objectflow files were present and I backed them up and installed your files.

I'll try the files and get back with the results.

No Joy same anomaly present.  Screen shot Oct 2114 w/North America selected.

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/06/soPkW.jpg" border="0" />

[spud]

One question from post #2, Alex had me run the moduleinstaller.exe which I did but the popup puts whatever it does in the FSX root folder ( C:\FSX\ ) I'm assuming this is correct??

[John Dow]

I believe that is just a pointer to where the registry entry for FSX says you have it, the installer then puts everything in appropriate folders within.

 

Something in your computer is awry.  In your AUC settings have you set the permissions for not only access but also sharing and anything else that you can find?  I remember I once had a problem because a sharing setting hadn't been specifically set, permissions were set across the board, which you would have thought was enough.  I'm fully guessing clutching at straws though.

 

 

[spud]

John,

now your talking over my head, what is AUC?  Do you mean UAC?  The only option WIN 7 has is a slider to adjust the User Account Control which I have set to "Never" which turns off UAC, there is nothing about permissions etc. available on the control screen.

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/07/cR98L.jpg" border="0" />

[Alex Goff]

Had some thoughts on this one, since you can see hot air balloons in NZNI that means some of your modules are working at least. I've got a bit of an experimental approach in that case.

First make sure you have the latest libraries installed. Next locate those four vegetation files Jarrad sent, they should all have "ObjectFlow_KSFF" at the end of the name, before the file extension. Change that to just "ObjectFlow". So for example if the name is veg_ObjectFlow_KSFF, change it to veg_ObjectFlow.

That will force the files to load through the common module. We can verify the filenames if you post them once they're renamed. If that doesn't work then there is a greater issue at hand with multiple modules not loading.

[spud]

Alex,

no joy with renamed files.  Attached is screen shot of the files.  I also notice that there are other 'flows' in the scenery such as peopleflow etc.  I do not see any moving people either.

Although I have re-installed KSFF at the begining of the problem I used my original download file to do so.   I am going to download the airport again from FSS and see if that makes any difference.

 

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/07/HbZjx.jpg" border="0" />

[spud]

OH Hummm,

downloaded KSFF from FSS again and removed old KSFF and installed new download, followed by latest FSX Library.  Grass textures and some trees are still pure white.  However, there is fewer clumps of white grass showing now with the new KSFF download installed.

see screenshot:

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/07/F6AE0.jpg" border="0" />

 

BTW I did find one PeopleFlow mechanic working on a twin behind a hangar so there is one person on the field.

[John Dow]

John,

now your talking over my head, what is AUC?  Do you mean UAC?  The only option WIN 7 has is a slider to adjust the User Account Control which I have set to "Never" which turns off UAC, there is nothing about permissions etc. available on the control screen.

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/07/cR98L.jpg" border="0" />

 

Yeah, I did mean UAC.  If you right click your FSX file in My Computer or Windows Explorer, somewhere under the properties tab, you will be able to access the deeper levels of permissions applicable to the folder.  I'm not on my FSX computer at the moment but there would be plenty of Google info around on how to proceed.  Cheers

[Alex Goff]

Hi Spud,

 

Reinstalling probably won't help at this stage, it seems like something on your system is causing the ObjectFlow modules to fail to initialize. It won't impact things like PeopleFlow since those are just animated models but the vegetation models at KSFF and other ObjectFlow controled elements will not display correctly. 

 

Have you made any significant changes recently to your FSX installation? 

 

If you'd like to try totally reinstalling the modules you can go to the dll.xml file and delete the ObjectFlow entries. They'll look something like this:

 

  <Launch.Addon>

    <Name>ObjectFlow_KSFF.dll</Name>

    <Disabled>False</Disabled>

    <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>

    <Path>E:\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_NA\FTX_AA_KSFF\Scenery\ObjectFlow_KSFF.dll</Path>

  </Launch.Addon>

And for the common module:

  <Launch.Addon>

    <Name>ObjectFlow.dll</Name>

    <Disabled>False</Disabled>

    <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>

    <Path>E:\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_AU\FTXAA_ORBXLIBS\Scenery\ObjectFlow.dll</Path>

  </Launch.Addon>

Then in your FSX.cfg under the [Trusted] section delete the following:

 

E:\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_NA\FTX_AA_KSFF\scenery\ObjectFlow_KSFF.dll.(lots of letters)=1

E:\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_AU\FTXAA_ORBXLIBS\Scenery\ObjectFlow.dll.(lots of letters)=1

 

Now go back and run the ModuleInstaller.exe again, then there is another ModuleInstaller located in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_AU\FTXAA_ORBXLIBS\Scenery", run that as well.

[spud]

John, as far as I can tell after right clicking and in the properties under shareing all entries are turned on.  What the means exactly I have no idea but they are all "enabled".

 

Now, Alex,

I'll give your instructions a go and see if that works.  The latest download and re-install only seemed to decrease the amount of grass clumps appearing at KSFF and of course they were still without color.

 

If it means anything I have also had major problems with Instant Scenery 3 when I installed it the item appeared in the FSX/Module function of the menu it then disappeared.  This keeps happening and I have modified the dll.xms numerous times sometimes sucessfully other times not.  Yesterday after re-installing KSFF when I shut down FSX I got the pop-up from IS that a new version was available (3.02) which I had already installed.  This morning when I started FSX the Instant Scenery selection was gone from the Module menu again.  I shut down FSX and set Central to Global/Hybrid started FSX and IS was back.  Shut down FSX and set Central to North America and IS was still in the Moudule menu?  I'm sure there is something rotten in Denmark as they say but have no idea what.  It is just about time to wipe FSX etc. off the HD and start from scratch with hundreds of files (ick!).  And the last time I had to re-install (new computer in Feb) the old FSX Gold DVD's were not working too well as well.

Off to retry the module re-install to see what happens, Thanks again Alex.

[TymK]

Hi Spud,

 

Going by your last post, can you make sure all your dll.xml entries (at least those before the ones that fail to load) are complete, i.e. have both the opening <Launch.Addon> and the closing </Launch.Addon> tags? I vaguely remember some add-on messing these up, causing all the other entries below it to fail to load.

 

Tym

[spud]

OK,

deleted the two entries in the dll.xms file and the two in the trusted section of the FSX.cfg file and ran the two ModuleInstaller.exe programs.  dll.xms entries are present again and the FSX/cfg entries are in the trusted section again.  Aaaannddd the grass and trees are still without color.  Plus once again my Instant Scenery entry in the Modules menu is missing?  I guess there just is not a work around for this debacal with KSFF.

[TymK]

Hmmm... Can you post the contents of your dll.xml? The missing IS entry seems to indicate that there's something amiss in this file...

 

Tym

[spud]

Tym,

your wish is my command sir!

Yesterday I loaded FSX with NA selected went to KSFF to check the grass and IS was gone.  quit FSX selected Global/Hybrid and IS was back in the Module menu.  Stopped FSX and reslected NA in Central and started the sim.  Instant Scenery was back in the menu.  Reset Global/Hybrid and IS still was present.

Today after deleting the files for ObjectFlow Mentioned above IS was once again missing and switching FTX Central does NOT bring it back.

Attached is the dll.xms contents:

 

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/08/Kqtx.jpg" border="0" />

<img src="http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/08/TCyfU.jpg" border="0" />

[Jethro VH-JET]

Hey there Spud,

 

If I am out of order here I will back away gracefully, but have you considered this possibility.

As Jarrad says, you are not missing textures or they would be "black", the presence of the "white effect" on the grass and white on the trees is Frost / Ice. Object flow & nature flow allow the long grass to be textured white in hard winter usually, depicting frost or ice on the leaves. Usually when you select a season or particular part of a season, for example: Hard winter in NA will be in January only, Winter Feb Mar, Spring Apr May Jun, Summer July Aug Sep,  Fall Oct Nov Dec, Natureflow  along with the sim will display certain matching features depending what the developer incorporated into the scenery/Airport. At Felts Field NatureFlow long grass. 

 

In this case I would suggest looking at your default /start flight, and check the Season / Date, you may have a corrupted default flight file or have a seasonal change stuck in the default flight file.

Start/Load your default normal flight > Choose a New start date and season that is in Spring or Summer > Then save that as the new Default flight. Then return to KSFF to see that the grass is green, seasonally correct > go back into Time & Season Menu - change Date & Season to Winter - the Grass should still be somewhat green but the surrounding ground textures should be white/snow covered along with the trees > change your season to Jan / Hard winter - your long grass should be white. > Now go back to spring Summer or Autumn the grass texture should match the season and nolonger be frosty white.

[Alex Goff]

On my phone so I'll post more when back, but Instant Scenery and ObjectFlow are very similar, in fact made by the same author. If both are not working then there is something blocking them both from functioning.

[TymK]

Hi again,

 

I can't find anything wrong with the format of the file itself, so it looks like it's a different problem than the one I had. Sorry if I've wasted your time, the symptoms were similar...

 

You can still check if the items below the ObjectFlow and Instant Scenery work OK (for example if FSUIPC is available in the menu), but Alex seems to be on to something here...

 

Tym

[Jarrad Marshall]

I concur with Alex - I think there is something that has corrupted both IS and the Objectflow dll's - and as he mentions these share the same development author so probably have some similar architecture. Just to throw a curve into the mix, I suspect your objectflow is corrupted rather than not functioning at all at KSFF, as there are other Objectflow functions at the airport (namely - all the building roofs) that seem to be displaying OK. 

 

Cheers,

Jarrad

[spud]

Jeff,

not a seasonal problem as no matter what time/date is selected it is just the grass and trees in the immeadiate area of KSFF that exhibit the white color.  I agree that it probably is winter textures showing on the grass/trees.  Apparently, as we are working with ObjectFlow files these particular objects must be connected to that function, at least that is my interpatation of events.

Looking at the FSX.cfg file trusted section I see several duplicate entries, or at least the same files listed as trusted.  I believe I'm going to delete and lets FSX rebuild the .cfg file and see what that does.

[spud]

Well whatyaknow! 

after 4 1/2 months of looking at white grass and trees at KSFF today I installed the new Object libraries that features a new Objectflow.dll and had a flight from Cle Elum to Felts Field and hotdamn!!! all the grass is back to normal again.  I am assuming that running the Objectflow update program was what fixed to problem.  Of course I had done this while trying the suggestions in this thread but it never corrected the problem.    Whatever fixed the white grass and trees this time I'm just glad to be able to use KSFF again.    As a young boy during WWII I used to live a few blocks from the airport and hung out wandering around the hangars talking to the pilots and mechs and peeking into cockpits several times a week.  Of course this was long before homeland security and fences when people used to trust one another and most aircraft had round engines and many were of the open air variety.

Thanks ORBX and crew for the new Objectflow.dll etc. that has fixed the issue.