Handie Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hello,The black buildings at Queenstown (NZQN) are still present despite the patch 003 of NZSI.A fix could be given?I already had raised this issue when the release of NZQN :http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/64668-nzqn-black-buildings-and-strange-texture-of-the-water-along-the-shores/#entry590530 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lthendrix Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 that is quite an anomaly. I will check my version of nzqn tonight after work and see if I have the same thing. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I have the same issue, and it was signaled when the airport was released. Almost every flat building seem to have a black texture as walls. Maybe it is supposed to be transparent? http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/64742-nzqn-black-walls-on-flat-roof-autogen/?hl=nzqn Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolter van der Spoel Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 please make sure to run the latest library files after the install ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 The library was run, of course, already after the installation of the scene at its release, and also now with the latest And there are many buildings that are black on the scene, not just those on the image. Several of us were having these black buildings at the release of the scene. We were promised a correction to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolter van der Spoel Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 OK, So you are still suffering from the "Black building syndrom" at NZQN ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Yes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolter van der Spoel Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Well as you can see from the screenie it's working at my end, I'll need to figure out which textures it's missing, as I cannot start uploading all 305 MB of texture files for one glitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Even here on an official screenshot, we see the black buildings in the back left ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hi guys, first off, NZSI and the NZQN add-on are separate products meaning any fixes for display issues with NZQN would have to come via an NZQN service pack. I don't have those black buildings either but it seems odd that only a few users would have issues with missing textures. BTW, a quick check would be the file count in the \ORBX\FTX_NZ\FTXAA_NZQN\Texture folder; there should be 440 files. Then again, I don't know for sure whether those particular building textures are specific to NZQN. If not though they should be "generic" versions included with our Orbx libraries... Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hi, will check the texture count once I am back home, but I seriously doubt it comes from that. A glass window is texture is clearly missing and spoling the fun of this aiport, it is probably somewhere is the standart setup of Orbx developers (another Australian scene? Ozx?, FTX?) so it is hard for you guys to debug. I seem to remember that there was a way to check what file FSX is failling to load at any given moment, ( by putting the following: [SCENERY] ShowMissingTextureAlert=1 MissingLibraryAlert=1 into fsx.cfg I am happy to investigate. Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolter van der Spoel Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 just checked at my end => ....\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_NZ\FTXAA_NZQN\Texture folder and it contains: 125 x .AGN files 1 x .BMP file 314 x .DDS files --------------------- 440 x files total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thanks Wolter, will rever tonit. Btw, is there any plan to release a third airport on south island? Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hello,The black buildings, we see them very well on screens and official videos on the page dedicated to NZQN :http://fullterrain.com/product_nzqn.htmlSo this is something that is known since the beginning.If those who made these screens and videos no longer have these black buildings, how have they managed to make them disappear ? just checked at my end => ....\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_NZ\FTXAA_NZQN\Texture folder and it contains: 125 x .AGN files1 x .BMP file314 x .DDS files---------------------440 x files total I have the same. In my post of septembre 2013, I had noted this : By starting FSX with the line "ShowMissingTextureAlert = 1" in the fsx.cfg, 5 textures are reported missing : CRICKET GROUND.DDSJAR_COF_LANDREGISTER_LM.DDSOLD DEPOT.DDSBLD_Australia_Red_1.ddsBLD_Australia_Red_2.dds The last two textures are however present in the "texture" folder of FSX. If it can help I have not try "MissingLibraryAlert=1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgenkinger Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Try using NZSI in Hybrid mode. Maybe it helps - it worked for me. But don't ask me why... Juergen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 As I said in my post in September 2013, I do not have FTX Global, as well as those, apparently, who have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olli4740 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I don't have FTX Global either, but I do have black buildings at NZQN. I also have black buildings in some other locations, both addon and default. So I am wondering whether this issue could be related to corrupted default textures? Anyone else who experiences black buildings at NZQN and, at the same time, in non-FTX locations? Does ORBX use default building textures in order to increase building variety in places like NZQN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick66 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I`ve just completed a fresh FSX install today and checked my NZSI/NZQN and confirm i have the black buildings as well, running FTX Global, Vector, DX10, FTX Central was set to Oceanic and Latest Library installed, here is what it spat at me with texture alerts. Failed to load texture: BLD_Australia_Red_1.ddsFailed to load texture: BLD_Australia_Red_2.ddsFailed to load texture: ORBX_SRA_OBJECTS_1_LM.BMPFailed to load texture: CRICKET GROUND.DDSFailed to load texture: OLD DEPOT.DDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hi guys, interesting, looking at the BLD_Australia_Red_1.dds texture does seem like it might be the one used at some of the town buildings. Both BLD_Australia_Red_2.dds and BLD_Australia_Red_1.dds are actually FSX default textures located in the main \Texture folder and dated July 2006. Can you check whether they exist in that folder? If not place the attached files and re-check the buildings. Cheers, Holger BLD_Australia_.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hi Holger, I already have these 4 files (same date) in the "Texture" folder of FSX ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 They are in the folder as well. Also tried multiple replace (yours, some reduced ones that can be loaded in simviation), not to prevail. So frustrating but thx for trying to help. will soon go in vacation, hopefully someone will have resolved the issue when I come back in 3 weeks. Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lthendrix Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 mine checked out. Wolters pic is what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beercan Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Can anybody at ORBX open the source file of the scenery to read the names of the incriminated textures? It seems to me that the solution would be very fast, no? Some indications, they do not come either from NZQN, or from NZSI, or from Global. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Otherwise, why do not you ask the person, at Orbx, who made screenshots and official videos and also had the same concerns that we with black buildings, how he managed to solve the problem ... at least if he has actually succeeded ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hi, The best guess is that the Default.xml file or one of associated SBP files has been updated by one of the AUZ region and /or NZ island install or one of the respective successive patches and somehow some of us did not capture this update. My Australia comes from a DVD maybe they are a bit different than the download currently aviable. If one of the dev with a working environment could post its NZ Default.xml file and associated SBP files so we can see if replacing those would fix the issue. We will prevail! Regards, Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 And for those who do not have this problem, know that this concern is present over the entire scene, not just on these two buildings, which really spoils the pleasure of this beautiful scene of NZQN.Perhaps these other screens can help find where the problem is : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olli4740 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Have to agree. BTW, I downloaded the four files Holger provided and noticed they are all still present in my texture folder. For some reason Holger's files are older than mine, I decided to overwrite my files anyway, but to no avail: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Maybe if someone (where the texture works) could post the following: lclookup.bglLWcfg.SPBMaterials.spbRoofDescription.spb default.xmlterrain.cfg That would allow some extra testing. Thx for helping us, I have to agree with Nadine, those black textures are a show stoper. Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lthendrix Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 for what it is worth I only have new zealand NI and SI with nzmf and nzqn installed. on my computer. I dont have the black blds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hi guys, here's something to try for those with black buildings: First, make sure you have reinstalled the latest Orbx Libraries after installing NZSI SP3. Those libraries come with a full set of the correct files for autogen and generic buildings. The next step is to set FTX Central to Oceania, press Apply, and exit FTX Central. Then check the file date of the Materials.spb file in {FSX}\ORBX\Scripts\Custom.au against the one in {FSX}\Autogen. If they differ make a backup copy of the version in \Autogen and replace it with the version in \ORBX\Scripts\Custom.au and check again at NZQN. Let us know whether the files are different and whether the file from Custom.au fixes the issue. Also, while you're at it please compare file dates of the other three spb files in Custom.AU against those in \Autogen, as well as that of default.xml Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hello Holger,I compared the files in the "Autogen" folder in FSX with those of "Custom.au" folder in Orbx / Scripts and saw two files that were different : "Materials.spb" and "Extrusions.spb".I replaced those of the "Autogen" folder with the ones of the "Custom.au" folder and I went to NZQN ... and everything was back to normal, black buildings were gone ! A big thank you to you, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olli4740 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 My thanks as well, Holger! I only replaced the materials.spb (28.05.2014 vs. 11.05.2007) and that did the trick already. Checked four times (day, dusk, night and dawn) and the textures were all fine. Sorry for asking a dumb question, will this file operation cause any side effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beercan Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Done and everything is correct. Thank you Holger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Thanks holger solved for me as well. Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Sandmann Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hi guys, glad to hear we're making progress. Using Oliver's file date of May ‎10, ‎2007 for the "faulty" Materials.spb (thanks for providing that!) I was able to reproduce the problem for the first time on my PC. It appears the issue is with the FSX SP2 version of Materials.spb. Interestingly, the FSX Gold/Acceleration version -- which supposedly is FSX plus SP2 plus some additional content -- is different (dated ‎September ‎26, ‎2007) and doesn't cause any problems. Thus, anyone using FSX Gold or Acceleration probably will never see black buildings at Queenstown. Now, since the release of FTX Global Base we only use a single set of modified .spb and default.xml files across all products (and those sets also include the compatibility data for some Aerosoft, EarthSimulation, and FranceVFR products). Since we know that people might have old DVDs or outdated service packs installed we deliver this set to everyone via the Orbx Libraries. That's currently the May 28 2014 version I asked you to use instead and it also works with Queenstown as intended. The reason why switching FTX Central to Oceania doesn't activate that version is because we only switch files that we had to modify in a specific region (e.g. Oceania) and Materials.spb isn't one of those ... or so we thought since we were unaware that it's apparently the default FSX SP2 version that is responsible for the incompatibility. In short, the actual/final fix for this will be to update our script file that regulates which specific files are swapped for Oceania by adding Materials.spb to it. That should take care of the potential conflict once and for all. We need to think about how to best deliver that update. In the meantime, manually copying the Materials.spb from \ORBX\Scripts\Custom.au will do the trick. Cheers, Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lthendrix Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 well Played All !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argharg Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 hi holger, very interesting, but be aware that i have the french fsx gold version and the wrong file, so the different iterations / variations of fsx files may be even more complex. ( nadine is probably french too ). still glad you nailed the issue. etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olli4740 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Holger, you're welcome and I can confirm, using an English version of FSX Professional with SP1+2. (That's from the Gold edition, but without ever installing the AccPack.) Keeping my finger crossed for those who have not had their issues resolved yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 hi holger, very interesting, but be aware that i have the french fsx gold version and the wrong file, so the different iterations / variations of fsx files may be even more complex. ( nadine is probably french too ). still glad you nailed the issue. etienne Yes, I have also the french FSX Gold/Acceleration version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kremin Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hi guys, glad to hear we're making progress. Using Oliver's file date of May ‎10, ‎2007 for the "faulty" Materials.spb (thanks for providing that!) I was able to reproduce the problem for the first time on my PC. It appears the issue is with the FSX SP2 version of Materials.spb. Interestingly, the FSX Gold/Acceleration version -- which supposedly is FSX plus SP2 plus some additional content -- is different (dated ‎September ‎26, ‎2007) and doesn't cause any problems. Thus, anyone using FSX Gold or Acceleration probably will never see black buildings at Queenstown. Now, .............. Cheers, Holger Hello Holger, I've just had this black buildings issue and have cleared it up thanks to your solution and to the efforts of the other posters. Maybe of interest that I am running FSX Gold + Acceleration + FSGlobal + FS Global Vector and have only very recently installed NZQN. Very many thanks again - and I hope you will nail the final solution soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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