Terblanche Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Potholes with dams or lakes or on a little hill of its own ... they are all over the place. Vector not installed. No potholes or water hills without Orbx Africa_LC. What is interfering where with who ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Correia Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Location please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Ed Correia said: Location please? This one is short finals FNLU (Luanda) ... but dams and lakes around Cape Town are on little hills (don't know how to describe the elevations with water on top) ... when you fly to George (FAGG) you will also see potholes and the mountains have little spike peaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Hello Terblanche , the problem is as old as the simulator. It is not the landclass but the included mesh. The airport and water bodies elevations are set by the simulator and unfortunately, in some areas of the FSX\P3D world, they are not particularly accurate. Adding a better quality mesh results in the terrain elevation being corrected but the water and indeed airport elevations remain fixed, resulting in either hills or depressions, depending on whether the water or airport is too high or too low. There is not a problem if no added mesh is used and the simplest solution will be to disable the open LC Africa mesh element. Global Vector goes a long way towards correcting these anomalies Here is a series of images that illustrate the effect. The effect as you see it: Open LC Africa and its mesh active. Note that the airport is also affected. open LC Africa and default mesh. Note that the airport is also now level. open LC Africa with Pilot's Global Ultimate mesh, you can see that the anomaly is more pronounced. Note that effect around the airport also. Open LC Africa, Pilot's Global Ultimate mesh and Global Vector. All is well and indeed there is a previously missing water body. Here is the P3D default view, no added open LC, no Global Vector and no added mesh. Finally, here is the default view with no Orbx products but with Pilot's Global Ultimate mesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Impressive explanation. Thank you, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 21 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: There is not a problem if no added mesh is used and the simplest solution will be to disable the open LC Africa mesh element. Thank you so much Nick ... it makes sense. How do I "disable the open LC Africa mesh element" ...? I see this folder: c:\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\Orbx\FTX_OLC\OLC_AF_mesh\ EDITED: I have FS_Global_NG_FTX installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Hello, as you have it installed inside your P3D folder, just untick the Orbx!OPENLC_AFRICA_MESH entry. As illustrated, if you use Pilot's mesh, then you will still see the anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: as you have it installed inside your P3D folder, just untick the Orbx!OPENLC_AFRICA_MESH entry. Will do that ... In my setup, when I disable the Orbx Africa_LC altogether and it is only default + pilot's mesh, then I don't see any potholes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Thanks, then all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 How can i disable Orbx Africa_Mesh when it is installed via XML. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello, it's not something I have tried yet but I would think that editing the reference to it out of the add-on.xml file in the open LC Africa Library folder will do it. I don't have it installed that way but if you care to attach the xml file, I can do it for you, unless of course you are quite happy to do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thanks Nick, at this time i have deaktivated the Folder FSGlobal2010 Afrika. Later i can send you the XML file. Is it better to deaktivate fs global mesh Afrika or Orbx Mesh Africa Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello Frank, I see that you have Global Vector. You should be able to use your Pilot's Global mesh with Vector and see none of these anomalies. That is the ideal solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Ok, Thanks, later i will you send the XML file from Orbx LC Afrika. I have all my Orbx prudukts install outside the P3D Folder. The only Folder is Orbx Libs. This stay in P3D Folder. where can I find an optimal scenery library to compare my entries.It's about the Orbx entries where they should be. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello, the correct solution is to have all your other developers' addons at the top of the library. Orbx Airports next and then Orbx Regions, followed by Orbx open LC. The Orbx Central Insertion Point tool will do this for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hallo Nick, here is my Africa XML. Frank add-on.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello, thanks. You can edit out the part highlighted in yellow and save the file. Or, I think you can just untick open LC Africa mesh entry in the add-ons menu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 You forgot the attach file. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Sorry, here it is. add-on.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thanks, i will test it this evening. Maybe i make a stand allone XML for Africa Mesh to switch it on or off. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.skywalker Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 add-on.xml Du you men this is working with a second XML. At what Folder i must place this. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello, please put it back in the same place where you found it and let it overwrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 Ai ai ... it's really a struggle and for a lot of other reasons I don't want to install Vector again because I have endless problems with some airports ... I've now disabled Orbx's Africa Mesh as well as FS Global Ultimate 2020 Africa Mesh and still the hills and holes stand out like pimples on a beauty queen's face. Why is this only over Africa and South America and nowhere in your North America / Canada, Europe, or New Zealand landclass? [HUGE SIGH of despair] Africa is my home continent and as a real pilot I have many many hours flying across this vast continent and at the moment the only thing my OCD sees is the ditches, trenches, potholes, and water & river hills. I don't know how to fix it and the strangest part of it all is that if I completely delete Orbx Africa_LC then all the pimples disappear which means that something somewhere somehow is having a tantrum and I don't want to uninstall this landclass by Orbx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Hello, the most likely explanation is that when you "disabled Orbx's Africa Mesh as well as FS Global Ultimate 2020 Africa Mesh", it wasn't successful. You screen shots do seem to be showing what happens when misplaced water elevation is exacerbated by adding a more accurate mesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Nick Cooper said: You screen shots do seem to be showing what happens when misplaced water elevation is exacerbated by adding a more accurate mesh. I can disable both Orbx's Mesh and FS Global Ultimate's Mesh and the displaced water elevation is still there. The only way to get rid of it is to uninstall Orbx's Africa_LC and only use FS Global Ultimate 2020. That's what's so sad about the whole issue ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Hello, you have no need to uninstall something to check if it is the cause of a problem, you need only to disable it in either the scenery library or in the add-ons list. It might be that your copy of openLC Africa still has mesh files inside it. Please have a look for files named !OLC_AF_Mesh in your FTX_OLC\OLC_AF2\Scenery folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: Please have a look for files named !OLC_AF_Mesh in your FTX_OLC\OLC_AF2\Scenery folder. I've checked and no such file in that folder ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Thanks, can you give me the location of your screen shot and I'll take a look there later on this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: Thanks, can you give me the location of your screen shot and I'll take a look there later on this evening. It's in South Africa between George (FAGG) and Port Elizabeth (FAPE) ... Thank you Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Hello, the best I can do is to illustrate the various options, bearing in mind that I do not have the addon mesh product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 Thank you Nick ... it seems that it is either NO mesh (which means no Table Mountain in my hometown or Outeniqua Mountains where my parents live in George) ... or mesh with vector and then endless problems with airports. [sigh] PS: ... and there is no way to enable VECTOR only for Africa ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 The default airports in Africa are, as I am sure you know, not very good. I don't think that is really the fault of Vector, although its own data can be a bit sketchy at times, due to the general lack of real world data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terblanche Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 11:30 AM, Nick Cooper said: The default airports in Africa are, as I am sure you know, not very good. I don't think that is really the fault of Vector, although its own data can be a bit sketchy at times, due to the general lack of real world data. I think for most default airports in P3D you can only rely on one thing and that is a strip on the ground looking like a runway. The rest, like the coast line, is just a line between ground and ocean. I many times think to myself - if the coastline around South Africa has sooooooooooo many mistakes / faults then surely it must be true for the rest of the world. It's probably something that P3D inherited from FSX and never bothered to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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