hanss Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 All, I prepared my flight using PFPX for flight planning. Destination Osaka Kansai, RJBB. Used FSFlightControl to taxi out and follow the flight on airways and into the Terminal area of Kansai. I used Navigraph charts to prepare my approach to runway 06L. When approaching and unable to tune the ILS frequency, I diverted to runway 06R as there was no 06L. I had a radiofailure so I don't know which runway ATC would have given me clearance for. Quite a surprise. What I wonder though is, who or what is at fault. I know professionally that Kansai has two runways since 2007. Is it LM Prepar3D scenery that is not up to date? Is it ORBX Global or Vector? Because both Navigraph and FSFlightControl show the 2nd runway (06L/24R) I almost cannot imagine that such a major airport is missing a runway in the scenery. By the way, I use Prepar3D v4.4. Regards Hans Osaka Kansai, RJBB. E135.14,62 N034.25,97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Hello, it looks like the default airport has only one runway. It also looks like an internet search for the airport will provide you with an alternative, more up to date version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thanks Nick, You say it is the airport lay out in Prepar3D. I can download the scenery of course. I was just not sure what caused the omission. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hello Nick, Just out of curiosity, but when I install the download you suggested, the taxiways are not shown. Could you explain why this happens. I sometimes think I understand the scenery lay-out, but sometimes not at all. This is one of those occasions. Thanks Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Try this: RJBB.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 Thanks Nick, I will try this file. Still leaves me with the question what caused the omission of the taxiways? Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 hanss, the taxiways were correct in FSX which the scenery was created for, Nick has created an update for P3Dv4 that shows the taxiways correctly. That update if placed in FSX will cause a CTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi Smudger, I appreciate and understand Nick's support, there is no discussion. I have it installed in p3d v4.4, therefore no CTD. But still no taxiways displayed. That was my point. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hello, here is my point. The airport is freeware, thanks are due to its author, Sagga Toure. As Smudger pointed out, I adjusted the two properties that were preventing it from showing the taxiways in P3D v4 and recompiled. I have not modified the files in any other way, nor do I intend to do so. To install it, the RJBB folder needs to be added to the top of the scenery library. It does work and cures your problem but if you cannot make it do so, this is not the place for further support for another developer's freeware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thanks again Nick, It works! I am not criticizing anybody. You all try to help which I very much appreciate. My only question was what is the secret in adapting the scenery of the airport in such a way that it also works in Prepar3d. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It's not a secret at all and what to do is covered here. It's been there for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkH Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 As an alternative, you could also use the adapted scenery by Ray Smith (available on avsim, fsx_rjbb_rs.zip) together with the P3D update from Robert Catherall (rjbb_p3d_rwc.zip). This for sure works in P3D. Otherwise: the nav database of the default P3D is as outdated as the one from FSX, means: at least 12 years old. However, with an addon scenery (payware or properly made freeware does not matter...), you can correct this at least for the specific airport. If you also want to update the full nav database, you can do this as well: https://www.fsaerodata.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thanks gents, It was a "secret" to me till you came with your solutions. Nick, I appreciate you guidance you just provided. I wasn't aware it existed. Sorry for my ignorance. AnkH, thanks for your information. I use Navigraph. With the risk to start the discussion all over again, it was Navigraph charts which confirmed that there was something wrong with the airport lay-out and that the problem might lie with the airport lay-out in Prepar3D. All the information given make me a bit wiser and give me the possibility to correct this myself in future. By the way, the 12 year old database is noticeable. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hello Nick, Thanks to your missing airports article I could make the airports I missed compatible with to-day's lay out. Much appreciated! I also did ZSPD Shanghai Intl airport in the meantime. Now I am looking for the new Bangkok Intl airport, Suvarnabhumi. I used ADE as you described. The only thing I can't find are object libraries. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 When airports are compiled, there is an option to make two or three files, the third being a separate object bgl file. If the developer has chosen the two file option, the objects will be included, so there will be no objects file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanss Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Thanks again, another step towards understanding more of what is behind flying as realistic as possible. Regards Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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