chumley Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Appears Air France may have lost an A330-200 somewhere between Rio and Paris with 216 passengers and 12 crew. Very sad indeed. Aybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Correia Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Doesn't sound good \ http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25571706-12377,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Harris Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Still no sign..now quite a few hours overdue, its strange it just vanished like that very sad indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The latest is that they reported electrical faults after severe turbulance. Either way they are out of fuel now. My thoughts and prayers are with them. \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumley Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 The latest is that they reported electrical faults after severe turbulance. Either way they are out of fuel now. My thoughts and prayers are with them. \ There was no word from the crew - the information was received via an ACARS transmission. This site has some interesting information if you weed out the speculation and sometimes utter rubbish. http://www.pprune.org Aybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurdy Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 This will be the first hull loss for the A330 I believe. My thoughts go out to the family and friends for all aboard, lets hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a42abid Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 How is this possible though? My flight training is limited but I thought that aircraft were insulated from lightning and stormy conditions. Yes, turbulance might cause some damage but surely the pilots should be able to deal with that. The papers are reporting that the plane got hit by lightning and this caused the electronics to malfunction and the cabin to depressurize. Is that possible? I guess the probability of getting hit by lightining is extremely low but even then, I'd hope that an aircraft of that size and value would have the necessary equipment to handle that. Its a strange accident and a really tragic one. My thoughts go out to the families and I hope that they find the aircraft quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper31 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Tragic news indeed.....my heart and best wishes to all the family members of the passengers and crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 How is this possible though? My flight training is limited but I thought that aircraft were insulated from lightning and stormy conditions. Yes, turbulance might cause some damage but surely the pilots should be able to deal with that. The papers are reporting that the plane got hit by lightning and this caused the electronics to malfunction and the cabin to depressurize. Is that possible? I guess the probability of getting hit by lightining is extremely low but even then, I'd hope that an aircraft of that size and value would have the necessary equipment to handle that. Its a strange accident and a really tragic one. My thoughts go out to the families and I hope that they find the aircraft quickly. I suppose that mother nature is still boss... She can sink the largest ships, tear down the largest buildings and flatten the biggest bridges, so I suppose a 300 tonne airliner, despite all our technology is still vulnerable. Although there is no definite link between weather and the disappearance, many of the so called experts seem to be pointing that way. Aircraft are made to withstand 200,000 amps of electricity, and most lightning strikes have 30-40,000amps however if you have a large bolt hit a wing fuel tank..... Speculation never helps in these situations. I am sure more will come to light in coming days. As said before, my thoughts are with the families now and of course the hope that whatever happened, happened quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHosking Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The papers are reporting that the plane got hit by lightning and this caused the electronics to malfunction and the cabin to depressurize. The papers and the majority of Prune are F.O.S They are speculating just like everyone else. No one person will know what happened until they find the black boxes on this one. And then the Atlantic is one very large and deep ocean so recovery maybe very very difficult. It's not like they would be finding the Titanic. I am concerned personally as my father is current on this type. I want to know what happened as a safety thing more so than anything else. If something has malfunctioned in the worst way possible, Airbus need to resolve that on all A330/A340 aircraft. Why A340? Well it is a A330 with just two extra hairdryers. The cockpit is essentially the same as a A330, but it just has the extra two engines. Not much else differs. (Obviously size also... will add that before someone else does) This one is gone people. Lets hope for all hope it was quick and no one suffered. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ White Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Thousands of square miles of open ocean, 15,000 feet deep, limited locator beacon battery life.....not an enviable task for investigators. terrible news. Russ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Henare Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 First commercial hull loss of an A330, Airbus put one in during a test flight which so not generally not included in statistics. Very sad, and very perplexing accidents at cruise are incredibly rare. I am pretty sceptical of lightning or turbulance being a specific cause, our aircraft get hit all the time with at the most a couple of rivet heads burnt of anf the HF radio being fried. As usual in an aviation accident their are usually multiple causes, so perhaps consider the weather as a potential contributor rather than primary cause. Here is an odd statistic. Air France has the unenvious role of loosing the first A320, A330, A340 and Concorde. \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marka Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Possibly fire as a cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHosking Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Possibly fire as a cause? Hang on while I pull that magic answer out of where the sun doesn't shine... Please stop speculating. Please read why in my post above. Wait for the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Harris Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Another aircraft has reported seeing burning bright spots on the ocean, as well as debris sighted by a freighter, both in the same area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceshigh Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Sad news indeed.. I can only guess at what horrible chain of events fell into place to bring this big bird down ... ? * Flight simulation is the least on my mind tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest volcom1720 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 This explains it all >>>>>>>> :'( R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virginpilot1 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Here is an odd statistic. Air France has the unenvious role of loosing the first A320, A330, A340 and Concorde. \ Thats scary! =S lets hope they dont get any a380s or is it to late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Henare Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Possibly fire as a cause? Hang on while I pull that magic answer out of where the sun doesn't shine... Please stop speculating. Please read why in my post above. Wait for the facts. While often ill informed, speculation is a natural human response. Aviation accidents in particular are most commonly speculated on due to the complexity of the aircraft, the human interaction with the machine and the many mitigating factors all combining to meet up at this single event in time, which will most likely never occur again. How could this happen? What could possibly have gone wrong? The holes in the cheese often line up when we least expect it. Its something i personally find quite interesting. I fear we will be waiting a very very long time for the facts on this one, unless the FDR and CVR are in relatively shallow water. So for most speculation will be all we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-WCE Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Wow! very sad news indeed :'( R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marka Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Brad, Take it easy mate, this is a friendly forum, if I wanted to speculate I'd head over to pprune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Anderson Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very sad, my thoughts are with there families and friends... Here's another piece of false info, Channel 10 reckon Virgin Blue operate a fleet of Airbus'.... Something they're hiding from us? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Henare Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very sad, my thoughts are with there families and friends... Here's another piece of false info, Channel 10 reckon Virgin Blue operate a fleet of Airbus'.... Something they're hiding from us? Tom If thats the case i broke the law today cause i certified for an aircraft i am not rated on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHosking Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Brad, Take it easy mate, this is a friendly forum, if I wanted to speculate I'd head over to pprune. Sorry. Just sick of people wanting answers that no one person has at this present point in time. I have a Father who flies the A330/A340 and thus I too want answers, but I want facts. We will not get them until those flight recorders are removed and inspected. I personally don't give two hoots about speculation and realistically neither should anyone else even if it is human nature. The only role it plays in feeding journalists who haven't got enough material and provides no respect to the families with loved ones lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwlee Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Geez, if you can't speculate here due to those on lofty horses, doesn't look like anyone's allowed to say anything but platitudes for the unfortunates and their families. Climb down and let the other members be part of the conversation. BTW, my brother is a recent A330 Captain and looking to move back into them. I have a sister who's a doctor -anyone for a medical putdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Harris Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Speculation is good, we all have to fly in these things remember!. Brad if you have an issue with speculation that's perfectly fine, but please don't push it on others Cheers Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 the idea of not knowing what happend is axactly why it is creating so much interest. If we saw the wreckage on tv (we soon will) this would blow over like every other aviation accident. not knowing means we are creating our own images of what might have gone through the minds of those on board, every last second in detail. Would be nice if they didn't suffer, but that's wishfull thinking - the slightlest turbulence and my heart starts racing best of times. scary to imagine this one. what's the difference between speculation & imagination ? \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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