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    ESSB & ESMS updates (MSFS)

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    Good to hear Carlos. I hope you didn't take my comments above as bragging that the updates were available for me even though they were not for you. It was late last night when I posted that, and I was tired. I just wanted to quickly let you know they were working for someone, so hopefully they would work for you. :) 

     

    Landon

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    8 hours ago, Aussieflyer38 said:

    Thanks Landon, great advice and I really appreciate it. Further question. Depending what it costs, I might opt for a different case with better ventilation, and more RAM. Is the ASUS ROG STRIK LC ..... A10 liquid CPU Cooler not enough for cooling? And I forgot to mention, my rig sits three feet off the floor (timber), and in a airconditioned room, so that should help?    

    Regards,  Don

    Okay Don, just getting on my PC this morning and having some coffee. To answer your questions, YES, the ASUS cooler that comes with that system is suitable enough, but WITH a well ventilated case. Coolers like that ASUS all in one cooler keep the CPU cool, but NOT the rest of the system. They are specifically designed that way. That is why the case ventilation and fan setup is so important. There are multiple components in the case that produce a LOT of heat, not just the CPU and GPU. The motherboard and RAM produce heat, and so do any other components like drives and such. Today's motherboards, RAM and M.2 drives get really hot. HHD's produce a ton of heat too, but as we have transition to more SSD's, those produce much less heat. And then there is the power supply, another huge heat source. Now, the CPU has it's own cooler, GPU's have decent cooling setups on them with fans, heat sinks and heat pipes (that is why modern GPU card is so friggin' thick now), and power supply's have their fan as well. But, your system needs to pull cool air INTO the system to both cool the motherboard, RAM and drives, and also so that the GPU has cool air to pull from. THEN, your case needs a way to vent that warm air out of the case. There are many configurations that will achieve this. Having no case like Doug is one of the coolest methods, but that is not always practical for every situation. The most common method is to have a case that is vented in the front with fans mounted in the front that pull air into the case. 2-3 case fans in the front is usually the setup now. Then, you have more fan(s) mounted at the back meshed area to help push warm air out. But, having more vented areas like the bottom allow your case to have even more fans to push warm air out that way too. So, the best scenario, if you are not running caseless like Doug, is to have a case that maximizes on open ventilation on as many sides of the case as possible, and also allows lots of case fan mounting options. The good news here is that you don't need to have all these fan slots filled when you buy the system, as they are relatively cheap (compared to other system components) and easy to add down the road. As long as you can find a case that comes with a few fans to get you started, AND a good CPU all in one cooler, then you are on a good path for cooling. 

     

    And yes, absolutely, it makes a big difference having your rig in an air conditioned room and also off the floor like you have. We ask a lot from our flight sim rigs, so putting those rigs into the best conditions we can is always a plus. 

     

    I hope this is not too much information for you. I can get get really into the weeds on cooling it someone wants me to, so if I am overloading you, please let me know :) 

     

    Cheers!

    Landon

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    100% agree with Doug on the Ryzen 5800X3D vs. the Ryzen 5900x or 5950X. The 5800X3D is what I currently run. Also, if you are willing to spend the extra $450, then I would go with the 5800X3D system and either use that $450 to upgrade to a 3080 (if possible) OR bump up the RAM from 16Gb to 32Gb. To add some clarity, the 5800X3D is the newest Ryzen CPU in the 5000 line. Do not confuse it with a regular Ryzen 5800X, they are NOT the same CPU at all. In layman's terms, AMD added a supercharger to the 5800X to make the 5800X3D and it excels at gaming, to include MSFS. 

     

    Also, regarding cooling, the 5800X3D system you linked appears to have a mesh front panel, whereas the second system with the 5900X looks to have a glass front panel. Not good for cooling at all. More and more the 5800X3D system looks like your best bang for the buck, but I would definitely consider 32Gb of RAM instead of 16 Gb. :) 

     

    And, you are not taking up my time or bothering me by asking for our help.

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    Okay Don, let me see what I can add to the already great information from Paul and Pete above. The system you have picked out above looks pretty good based on your budget. I don't know exactly what the AU dollars look like compared to US dollars, so it's hard for me to properly confirm, but with the hardware in that system there are some good quality components listed so that is why I think it looks good for the price. IF there is any wiggle room on spending allowance, I would try and bump up to a 3080 Ti for that little extra VRAM, but I also think you will be fine with the regular 3080. The Ryzen 5800x is an excellent gaming CPU, the ASUS motherboard is top notch and the EVGA 850w PSU is also an excellent product. Also, the included 32Gb of GSkill RAM is good as well, and the right amount. Sure, could you add you add more RAM? Yes. But, you don't need to for MSFS or any other games or sims out right now. Now onto my cocerns..

     

    The biggest concern I have for this system is cooling. Too many system designers and builders overlook the cooling. Todays CPU's and especially GPU's run hotter and hotter. Plus, as I understand it, you live in hot climate and I don't know if you all use air conditioning over there like we do here in the U.S. Right off the bat, looking at that case, there is poor frontal ventilation. Very poor. Also, does not look like much on the back either. Now, I can't see from the pics if there is proper ventilation in the top or bottom of the case, but if there is, that helps. But, that front panel worries me. Also, I don't see what type of cooler the system comes with in those specs. I am not a fan of air coolers, as there are SO many good quality AIO (All In One) liquid coolers available. I would definitely want to know what the cooling situation is for this system. And, if there is an option, even more important than bumping up to a 3080Ti, is if there is an option for a better ventilated case. A proper case with GOOD airflow is ultra important these days, and often overlooked or disregarded. As a reference, look at the links I provided. These are some of the best airflow cases out there right now, as examples of what you want to try and get. You buy a cheap case, and you will get cheap, poor results when it comes to cooling these hotter systems. 

     

    Fractal Torrent

    https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/torrent/torrent/black-rgb-tg-light-tint/

     

    Fractal Meshify 2

    https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2/black-tg-dark-tint/

     

    beQuiet Silent Base 802

    https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/2047

     

    Feel free to ask further questions regarding any of my input Don, and I look forward to seeing you enjoy a new system!

     

    Landon

     

    P.S. I also agree additional storage would benefit you, and I also agree adding some plugin storage is a good option. The system comes with a good base to get you started, and I would absolutely install MSFS onto that NVMe M.2 drive.

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    Canada

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    What I do when I get annoyed with melted PG scenery in MSFS is simply turn it off and fly without it for a while. The Bing placed autogen in MSFS is quite good, better then previous sims, even without the PG. Try that out for a few flights and see how you like it. 

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    Canada

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    I've read LOTS of reports about the melted PG looks in the Toronto and Vancouver area with the new WU11 update. But, apparently not the case with the Edmonton area. All reports are that that locale looks great in the new update. 

     

    Anyhow, some very fine images here Paul. Nice to see the DC-6 out. I need to fly her again. :) 

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