dc10boy Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hi all, I was able to restore FSX and FTX Global to pre migration status. All is working well again and looks fantastic. I installed the 160528 libraries (the Global installer had no libraries ). With the new libraries, I still have no issues with FSX. However, the new libraries give you a red box that says you must migrate and closes FTXC. Is there any way an older library version can be posted to use until a fix for the migration issues is found? Thanks Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Why does ORBX ignore this easy solution? I have the same thread going but no response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gartro Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Have you looked in your downloads for the earlier version, FTXORBXLIBS160321? When the migration problem arose and I read about it, I had not accessed Central for a couple of weeks. I then turned off the update etc options in Central to prevent the migration, new LIBS etc. I had some recent Orbx purchases which I had not yet installed. I installed them and then opened and ran the March LIBS version by retrieving it from the list of downloads in my Internet Download Manager. Everything seemed to work okay doing it that way.The latest product I purchased and installed was Bar Harbour. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 28 minutes ago, Gartro said: Have you looked in your downloads for the earlier version, FTXORBXLIBS160321? When the migration problem arose and I read about it, I had not accessed Central for a couple of weeks. I then turned off the update etc options in Central to prevent the migration, new LIBS etc. I had some recent Orbx purchases which I had not yet installed. I installed them and then opened and ran the March LIBS version by retrieving it from the list of downloads in my Internet Download Manager. Everything seemed to work okay doing it that way.The latest product I purchased and installed was Bar Harbour. Gary Your a legend! found it in downloads Now I can restore my beautiful world :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc10boy Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 I had updated the libraries through FTXC, so I do not see the download anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFiddler Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Same here. I'd dearly love to be able to download 160321 and (more important and much larger) 160314 and the previous ones. All of which I have installed, but unfortunately via FTXC, i.e. no local file copies available for re-installation should it be needed. Orbx, please let us have an archive site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosariomanzo Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Does installing older libraries solve the issue? Or you have to reinstall everything? Actually, I only have global and Vector installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonstroheim Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 There is an ORBXLIBS archive here: http://cloud.orbxsystems.com/orbxfreeware/libraries/combined/ Is it that simple? Reinstall 160321 libraries to cure blurries and wrong textures? Or do you use also an old FSX backup? According to John Venema in a previous post, the list of migrated files are " lclookup.bgl, autogendescriptions.bgl, default.xml, Extrusions.spb, Materials.spb, RoofDescriptions.spb and specific new textures for FTX Global, openLC and our FTX regions"... It's best to wait for an official statement, but the wait is quite long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc10boy Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 Great find on the libraries! I had my entire FSX directory backed up on an external drive. JV told me what was changed in another thread.I deleted all my ORBX scenery.cfg entries. I deleted, then copied from backup the autogen and scenery directories. I deleted all ORBX folders even in program data.I also cleared the scenery indexes per Bens instructions. This had me back to my UTX and GEX install and it worked perfectly. I then reinstalled ORBX global. Then FSX worked great like it was. My only issue is the 160528 libs lock me out of FTXC and ask for migration, which I think I'll wait on until a positive fix is identified. Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFiddler Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 9 hours ago, vonstroheim said: There is an ORBXLIBS archive here: http://cloud.orbxsystems.com/orbxfreeware/libraries/combined/ Lieber Herr von Stroheim(! :-)), many thanks for that link! I had been searching high and low for that library, without success. I have so far(!) not been hit by any of the texture garbling many others report (and perhaps that will even be fixable by a repaired "unified lclookup.bgl"). What worries me more is that the new system seems to also put quite a bigger load on performance -- I do see (as also reported by others) noticeable "texture popping" (as I call it). This is not the same as the well-known autogen popping (which also seems to have become worse), but the phenomenon that the ground textures themselves are "refined" (going from less to more detail) in a "jumpy" manner, and not only in the distance (where it would be a normal LOD effect) but also right below the aircraft. I think that this texture popping is a less dramatic variant of "ground textures not being able any more to catch up fast enough", as reported by others. Especially noticeable if flying low and/or fast and/or in an add-on aircraft which in itself demands a lot of resources. So I am glad that after finding this library I will be able to revert to a pre-migration state if things get worse. However, as I see it (corrections welcome!), this will probably require uninstalling and then re-installing from scratch all Orbx add-ons, their updates/patches/SPs, and the libraries up to but not including the latest (160528). And it will also be necessary to uninstall FTX Central v.2.1 and re-install v.2.0 (which still allows manual region switching (which I prefer anyway)). A lot of work, but at least it is a perspective*, now that I have obtained the missing bit (the 160321 library; I had it installed, but via FTXC, so no local file copy available). Unless of course Orbx comes up with a more elegant and efficient way to "roll back", but I doubt that will happen, as per the recent masterpiece of customer communications which among other rather rigorous things states that "you don't have a choice in the matter. It's the way our architecture is moving and you can't roll back or avoid migrating because you'll be in unsupported territory". Or unless a way is found to fix not only the texture garbling but also the (suspected) performance issues, that may however be difficult... Thanks again for sharing the link! The Fiddler * But yes, such a roll back to pre-migration status will also mean that from then on, installation and use of any Orbx products released after 160321 is very sadly not an option, as they will require newer libraries and thus force one back into migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 9 hours ago, dc10boy said: Great find on the libraries! I had my entire FSX directory backed up on an external drive. JV told me what was changed in another thread.I deleted all my ORBX scenery.cfg entries. I deleted, then copied from backup the autogen and scenery directories. I deleted all ORBX folders even in program data.I also cleared the scenery indexes per Bens instructions. This had me back to my UTX and GEX install and it worked perfectly. I then reinstalled ORBX global. Then FSX worked great like it was. My only issue is the 160528 libs lock me out of FTXC and ask for migration, which I think I'll wait on until a positive fix is identified. Stan the 160321 wont lock you in however that was after a full Orbx reinstall, works like a charm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturi Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, theFiddler said: Lieber Herr von Stroheim(! :-)), many thanks for that link! I had been searching high and low for that library, without success. I have so far(!) not been hit by any of the texture garbling many others report (and perhaps that will even be fixable by a repaired "unified lclookup.bgl"). What worries me more is that the new system seems to also put quite a bigger load on performance -- I do see (as also reported by others) noticeable "texture popping" (as I call it). This is not the same as the well-known autogen popping (which also seems to have become worse), but the phenomenon that the ground textures themselves are "refined" (going from less to more detail) in a "jumpy" manner, and not only in the distance (where it would be a normal LOD effect) but also right below the aircraft. I think that this texture popping is a less dramatic variant of "ground textures not being able any more to catch up fast enough", as reported by others. Especially noticeable if flying low and/or fast and/or in an add-on aircraft which in itself demands a lot of resources. So I am glad that after finding this library I will be able to revert to a pre-migration state if things get worse. However, as I see it (corrections welcome!), this will probably require uninstalling and then re-installing from scratch all Orbx add-ons, their updates/patches/SPs, and the libraries up to but not including the latest (160528). And it will also be necessary to uninstall FTX Central v.2.1 and re-install v.2.0 (which still allows manual region switching (which I prefer anyway)). A lot of work, but at least it is a perspective*, now that I have obtained the missing bit (the 160321 library; I had it installed, but via FTXC, so no local file copy available). Unless of course Orbx comes up with a more elegant and efficient way to "roll back", but I doubt that will happen, as per the recent masterpiece of customer communications which among other rather rigorous things states that "you don't have a choice in the matter. It's the way our architecture is moving and you can't roll back or avoid migrating because you'll be in unsupported territory". Or unless a way is found to fix not only the texture garbling but also the (suspected) performance issues, that may however be difficult... Thanks again for sharing the link! The Fiddler * But yes, such a roll back to pre-migration status will also mean that from then on, installation and use of any Orbx products released after 160321 is very sadly not an option, as they will require newer libraries and thus force one back into migration. All I did was delete the ORBX folder in FSX. After you download a new region you will get Central back again and then just keep installing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumsArt Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Unfortunately it seems now there is only the 160528 in the link... Regards, Richard Portier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger79 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Anyone have a link to the previous 160321 libs file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gartro Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 ranger79 Have a look in your Downloads - see my post #3 above. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger79 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Unfortunately I cleaned my Downloads out pretty often, don't have it. I am going to try installing Global and Vector on a fresh FSX install, until the tool comes out to help me with P3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Claridge Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Is there any way to download libraries previous to 160528 which is the only one available now? Absolutely horrible blurries all over the place now. Only had ORBX England a couple of months, and it was very nice. But this now, is really, really poor. Any idea of a fix being released? I've had to uninstall the whole of FSX, to try and start from scratch. Thanks ORBX for messing up my FSX completely. Don't think I'll be bothering with any of your other products..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dow Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Andrew Claridge said: Is there any way to download libraries previous to 160528 which is the only one available now? Absolutely horrible blurries all over the place now. Only had ORBX England a couple of months, and it was very nice. But this now, is really, really poor. Any idea of a fix being released? I've had to uninstall the whole of FSX, to try and start from scratch. Thanks ORBX for messing up my FSX completely. Don't think I'll be bothering with any of your other products..... A solution is being tested now. Until it has been tested it's better to patiently wait. My own suspicion is that the vagaries of Windows folder security and permissions settings may be what causes the problem for some users. Estimates are that less than 10% of ORBX customers have experienced the problem, and yes I am one of them. I have recently installed P3D V3 on a different drive to the main FSX one and no problems, the migration has worked perfectly and there are no blurries in the 3-4 regions I have installed so far. So I can say that the software as we tested it is inherently sound, but as you know there are nearly as many combinations of computers and Windows versions as there are stars in the sky, so even the best beta teams cannot predict or test for all eventualities. I'm sure when the diagnostic tool comes out it will solve a lot of problems, but it just needs some patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Claridge Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Thanks John, I guess I'm, in the unfortunate 10%! But as a new user this is totally infuriating, I had FSX set up and running perfectly for a while now. I spent my hard earned cash on this product and it messes everything up.... I'm now installing as we speak from scratch. A lot of hard work, time and effort down the drain - that is what's annoying. And no option given by ORBX to reinstall the old libraries. That would be a fine solution for most of us. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Sawatzky Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I am sure glad I make a point of keeping a manual copy of all the Orbx Libs as they are released lol...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshireflyer Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I have just spent two days of process of elimination to find that the new libraries that include the migration files had screwed up my P3D V3.3.5. I figured this out by installing the only pre-migration libaries which I had on my computer which was Version 151213. I don't use download manager, so I rely on the back-ups of my downloads (where I found version 151213. I can't help but wonder why ORBX cannot provide the latest pre-migration libraries - as it seems 10% could be quite a number of people (depending on the customer base size!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshireflyer Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Edit Whoops - duplicate post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Claridge Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 100% agree yorkshireflyer - why can't they just provide us with the old libraries? After all - we have paid for a product that is now unfit for use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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