Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 into something new! I just ordered a new i7! It should be here next week. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxter Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Congrats, you won't be sorry... Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Womack Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Good luck with it! I want to hear performance reports and comparisons once you get it up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky76 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Well.... come on, brag a little!! What did you get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 GO Stephen, Go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 If I say please, can I have your old Q9550 CPU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Remember to do comparison tests, im curious to see how much better i7 is compared to 9550. So take some benchmark screens now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Womack Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Remember to do comparison tests, im curious to see how much better i7 is compared to 9550. So take some benchmark screens now! Yep, +1 on the comparison. I've got a Q9550 right now, and I'm very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Ok, This is probably as good an opportunity as any for objective test comparisons between the Yorkfield and Bloomfield quads as it relates specifically to FSX and FTX. What foolproof way is there for me to replicate exactly the same scenery the same way? Any ideas? Should I just jump in a plane and shoot a screeny out the window somewhere with what I have now, post it somewhere on here, and then try to reproduce it on the new computer? Can anyone think of a better way? Of course, settings and times would have to be exact. What about just loading an aircraft into particular airports and turning a specific exact direction toward the terminals and recording the numbers as it sits there, without touching anything? That is the only way I can think of to get as close as possible to apples for apples. Since I will be ghosting hardrives instead of a fesh install, the FSX modifications should be exact I would think. If so, which airports? Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valcor Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I would create a flight plan with a few checkpoints and have autopilot fly that route. Use Fraps to find out the average FPS for the whole route. Just use a pre-determined zoom settting in a straight ahead VC view and compare the averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Best idea imo would be couple days before new rig to format hard drive, install fsx and FTX only (maybe rex too...) then save couple flights and fly out of the airports... (like one at KSEA, one at darrington muni airport and somewhere else, maybe vancouver testing the fps. take pic/ fraps benchmark of desired duration and then with new rig do same steps. Sounds like a working plan to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualwombat Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I strongly suggest you use the conditions John set up for the Tamworth comparison. That way, there will be a database of results from a whole lot of other people and systems, and the conditions are closely defined. Cheers, Noel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsonly2002 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hey Spirit Flyer, I too am going the i7 route. Very anxious to read what the performance is with your new unit. Keep us posted, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 The i7 route is the way to go. The fastest CPUs on the market, but buy the fastest you can afford. It's better to have a fast native speed than overclock a cheaper one, and carry the risks that go with it. I haven't quite tamed the microstutters, but I do find keeping autogen at Dense or Normal seems the way to go. So far most of the other tweaks are only so-so when it comes to improvement. On top of that you will have a clean OS and FSX install, which of course frees the whole system. You'll love it, and it will make the snow and ice of New Brunswick tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 To compare with screenshots from my new computer, Here are four screenshots taken today by my existing machine. Tomorrow my new i7 930 should be here and the work to get it up and running will commence. The plan is (at this point) to ghost everything over to the new hard drive without an OS or fresh FSX install. I have nearly 200g of FSX and addons so there is no way I want to start over. However, who knows whether that will work out as well as planned. I will take the exact same screenshots with the new machine to be able to compare the existing performance with the new. Just so that the image host files are not lost somehow they are posted here: #1 End of runway at Tamworth, looking left: #2 End of runway at Sydney looking ahead: [img width=951 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268873594.jpg #3 End of runway at Melbourne looking left [img width=953 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268789116.jpg #4 End of Runway at Jandakot looking left [img width=952 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268883238.jpg Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsonly2002 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 This is better than going to a movie! Way to go, keep us posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacedivision Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 As one who has just finished building an i7 930 system all I can say is you will not be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Stephen: I know you won't regret it, but that's really good performance on your existing system. Nothing to do with FSX, but I brutalised, ruptured, crashed and otherwise ruined my system. So the techies have put it back together again, However they believe the OS and the game should be on the same VRaptor disc, the idea of having them seperate is a hangover from old hardware, and the overclock should be through the ASUS motherboard software and not the bias. There is also a way of setting up absolute FSX priority on the four cores through the Task Manager they tell me. Better than through an instruction in the config file. I'll keep you posted if it is true or not. signed; 40% proof spirit flyer, single malt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca22au Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 BIOS I meant, not bias. A real Mrs Malaprop job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I dunno how well transfering fsx from old comp to new will work out. If you install same harddrive(s) sure, but if you're going to just transfer to all new computer, then its going to be tough. Need the registry edits for all addon softwares to know where the files are, and straight transfer cant be good for performance (at least fsx performance). I highly suggest you install new os and fsx, and if you have some freeware airports, airplanes etc. just copy your addon scenery and airplanes folder to new one. Just alot easier to just install freshly and install the addons as you need them. That way you don't need to have long loading times all the time, since you don't have so many addons. so, my advice; save the flights, take screenshot, copy the .flt saves to a usb memorystick, then paste them back to new fsx install and then just load them. take pictures and then compare to previous test. Also you can copy ur fsx.cfg and take the tweaked edits from it, but NOT just copy+paste over the fresh one. That way the old hardware specifications may inflict something. Here again my best advice with my own experience after long time tweaking is just have a fresh fsx.cfg, add jobscheduler tweak to it and then just fly! (also Texture_max_load i have changed to 4096) edit: And also don't forget to enjoy your new computer, i still need 250$ to have enough money to upgrade mine to 930. (being 15 yrs old you cant work cuz of school, only in summertime... so i think that will be my estimated time of acquiring enough money to upgrade...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valcor Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Nothing to do with FSX, but I brutalised, ruptured, crashed and otherwise ruined my system. So the techies have put it back together again, However they believe the OS and the game should be on the same VRaptor disc, the idea of having them seperate is a hangover from old hardware, and the overclock should be through the ASUS motherboard software and not the bias. There is also a way of setting up absolute FSX priority on the four cores through the Task Manager they tell me. Better than through an instruction in the config file. I'll keep you posted if it is true or not. signed; 40% proof spirit flyer, single malt. They may have told you that the overclock should go through the Asus software because of your first sentence I don't know any professional or builder that would do it through software rather than the BIOS. I have not seen that software particularly, but they usually give you much less control than the BIOS, but it also means you can get yourself in much less trouble. They may have been talking about the Affinity selection under processes in task manager, but FSX is goofy with that. Back on topic, looking forward to your post replacement results Spirit Flyer. I , also, would be wary about ghosting over to a new HD though. You'll find yourself suspecting that as the culprit if anything peforms not as you might expect and you'll end up doing a clean install anyway. Admittedly, that's my own experience talking there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaveenB Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 There is also a way of setting up absolute FSX priority on the four cores through the Task Manager they tell me. Better than through an instruction in the config file. There's a program called Prio that can do that, it's free just google it. I can't seem to get it to work with the java framerate limiter tho' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 18, 2010 Author Share Posted March 18, 2010 Hey, I am here on the other side and into my new computer digs! I chickened out and kept my same hardrive and just installed the new one as a backup. The chip runs well stock speed, but I will now begin the overclock. I took a quick unclocked (2.80 mgz flight and although the FPS were lower than my overclocked Q9550, it seemed definitely smoother. Well, time to get into the bios! Stephen PS: The Prolima Megahalems Rev.B is a real beautiful work of art, and the tempertures do not exceed 52c under full load test, idles at 30-32c. Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsonly2002 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Sitting here with my bag of pop corn waiting for the show to begin. I know you working hard getting things set up. This is a great thread. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (PC Aviator) Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 You will be in wonderland... I recently upgraded, but only to a Core i5, and 4gb RAM and 5850 video card but the difference was amazing! Can turn up lots more FSX detail now without sacrificing much FPS at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 Findings Both machines have the same hard drive install and settings, time of day and exact place and aircraft, so the comparison is apples for apples. Comparison Screenshots 1 (a) Jandakot -Q9550 @ 3.65ghz, 4g DDR2-1066 Ram, Win7-64, P5K MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 24.3 FPS 1 ( JandaKot - i7-930 @ 4.2ghz, 6g DDR3-1600 Ram, Win7-64, P6TD MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 45.2 FPS 86% increase [img width=950 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268997067.jpg 2 (a) Sydney - Q9550 @ 3.65ghz, 4g DDR2-Ram, Win7-64, P5K MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 17.3 FPS [img width=951 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268873594.jpg 2 ( Sydney - i7-930 @ 4.2ghz, 6g DDR3-1600 Ram, Win7-64, P6TD MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 26.4 FPS 52% increase [img width=952 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1269000908.jpg 3 (a) Tamworth - Q9550 @ 3.65ghz, 4g DDR2-Ram, Win7-64, P5K MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 23.0 FPS [img width=954 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268813106.jpg 3 ( Tamworth - i7-930 @ 4.2ghz, 6g DDR3-1600 Ram, Win7-64, P6TD MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 40.6 FPS 76% increase [img width=954 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1269077283.jpg 4 (a) Melbourne - Q9550 @ 3.65ghz, 4g DDR2-Ram, Win7-64, P5K MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 9.6 FPS [img width=953 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1268789116.jpg 4 ( Melbourne - i7-930 @ 4.2ghz, 6g DDR3-1600 Ram, Win7-64, P6TD MB, GTX275-1792, Nhancer 17.7 FPS 84% increase [img width=956 height=700]http://www.fsfiles.org/imagehost/uploads/1269002032.jpg Average 74.5% increase in FTX FPS from Q9550 @3.65 and i7@4.2 Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plexi1 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 now that sounds good, makes me thinking about a PC update for myself, thank you for the comparison I would like to know how you moved your complete FSX installation with all addons to the new OS without reinstalling or did you just throw in the new hardware and let Windows do the rest ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoseCFII Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Congrats! Nice job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsonly2002 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Spirit Flyer, you win the "Best Post of the Year" award from the Royal Order of Flying Beavers. My goodness, that is dog gone impressive! That is the best comparison and review I have ever seen, the visual comparison is excellent. I am selling my Q9550 and getting a i7 930 unit like yours. just ordered an Asus MB after reading your post. Thank you for posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 now that sounds good, makes me thinking about a PC update for myself, thank you for the comparison I would like to know how you moved your complete FSX installation with all addons to the new OS without reinstalling or did you just throw in the new hardware and let Windows do the rest ? H Gilbert, I just took the older hardrive and installed it as C drive, and put the new one as a backup. Other than having to call Microsoft about FSX Acceleration to get fresh codes, it was seamless. I was going to ghost it over, but I chickened out. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 Spirit Flyer, you win the "Best Post of the Year" award from the Royal Order of Flying Beavers. My goodness, that is dog gone impressive! I am selling my Q9550 and getting a i7 930 unit like yours. Thank you for posting this. You won't regret it - fast and smooth. The cooler is a piece of beautiful abstract high tech art. Under 100 load, it keeps tempertures under 70c. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 Stephen: I know you won't regret it, but that's really good performance on your existing system. Nothing to do with FSX, but I brutalised, ruptured, crashed and otherwise ruined my system. So the techies have put it back together again, However they believe the OS and the game should be on the same VRaptor disc, the idea of having them seperate is a hangover from old hardware, and the overclock should be through the ASUS motherboard software and not the bias. There is also a way of setting up absolute FSX priority on the four cores through the Task Manager they tell me. Better than through an instruction in the config file. I'll keep you posted if it is true or not. signed; 40% proof spirit flyer, single malt. Thanks for the suggestions Ian. I ended up using settings provided for me that I adapted from those for a i7-920. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Nice! Really nice! Thanks for making this more painful, now the wait for new computer is even harder Can't wait to upgrade to i7, your benchmark is absolutely magnificent, maybe more so becouse old and new system is allmost the same as i am planning to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plexi1 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Stephen, thank´s for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J van E Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Emms Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Yes matey a nice post and good luck with the new system it sure gets me thinking as well cheers Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Flyer_old Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi, I have just ordered a Gigabyte HD5870 (The one with the fancy fans) which should be here this week. I perserved an exact copy of FSX on a separate drive when I build this machine so when it comes in I will fire that version up and retake the same pictures to document the variation. That should show the difference between team green and team red since everything else will (or should be) exact. I have however since then increased the CPU speed from 4.2 to 4.34 so there will have to be an adjustment made in the results somehow, but I don't know what. Thanks to Dan (Drumsonly 2002) from Nova Scotia who suggested doing this. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi, I have just ordered a Gigabyte HD5870 (The one with the fancy fans) which should be here this week. I perserved an exact copy of FSX on a separate drive when I build this machine so when it comes in I will fire that version up and retake the same pictures to document the variation. That should show the difference between team green and team red since everything else will (or should be) exact. I have however since then increased the CPU speed from 4.2 to 4.34 so there will have to be an adjustment made in the results somehow, but I don't know what. Thanks to Dan (Drumsonly 2002) from Nova Scotia who suggested doing this. Stephen Excellent! looking forward to see these results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsonly2002 Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Stephen, I think you started a fan club with out knowing it. The way you post information is excellent. A few more parts for my computer and I'm in the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto2 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Just got a new rig myself and am wondering what virus software to put on it? Have McAfee at the moment but want to jettison that. What works well with FSX and has the ability to be paused so it doesn't do its thing while I am running FSX? Stiletto2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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