R Smith Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Hi, i've recently done a freash install onto a new pc and the thames river has hills in the middle of it, also the docks are now on land. Any ideas gents?, Please see pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Bump, anybody there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Indeed there is. Can you say what you have done a fresh install of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hi yes. Ftx global base, ftx global mesh, european airports pack, Na airports pack, orbx libraies, FTX tress steam version. Non FTX sceneries... Uk2000 airpoprts, east midlands, edinbrugh, london city airport, gatwick, stanstead, Jersey. Aerosoft airports, mallorca, ibiza, pisa, naples, berlin tegel, humburg. FSDT airports, Geneva, Zurich. That's all of my current sceneries installed, i've tried reinstalling FTX global and runnig the auto elevation fix. P.s apologies if i came across as rude, I've not had a very good time lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hello, no not rude at all. How does the Thames look if you disable the mesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 I'm not sure how to do that, do I just deactivate in the scenery library and if so what do I need to disable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hello, To deactivate just untick your mesh product in the scenery library, then run the sim and as Nick suggested see how the Thames looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hi, ok I can confirm with FTX global turned off the thames is flat and the docks are as they should be, turning back on and there are hills and holes in the water, and the docklands are as the pic above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hello, I assume you mean FS Global, the mesh product from Pilot's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Sorry I mean FTX Global Vector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 Anybody know if there's anything i can try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Have you installed any mesh product ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 I've only got ftx global vector installed, when it comes to a mesh product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 FTX Global Vector is not a mesh product. From Nicks Orbx Product Summary, FTX Global Vector corrects coastlines, inland water, roads, rivers and power lines. Open LC and Vector are both designed as accessories to Global Base and textures will look odd if combined with default textures. Mesh Mesh can be local, regional and global. Its purpose is to best reflect the elevation of the areas that it covers. FTX does NOT market a mesh product but regions and airports are made based on the standard of FS Global 2010. This product is marketed by a separate company, Pilot's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Please excuse my ignorance I'm not 100% what a mesh is, but the only terrain enhancements i have are FTX Global base pack and FTX vector, I just thought Vector was a mesh thingy as it has the elevation correction option so i thought it was a mesh addon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 My understanding is that Vector places the coastlines, inland water, roads, rivers and power lines into the correct positions on the terrain as opposed to the original effort by Microsoft when creating FSX, data available today is far superior than then. I am not aware that the Vector AEC tool controls elevations other than at airfields / airports, it certainly can't alter a Water Aerodrome. Refering back to your 3rd picture, that is Dartford Tunnel and bridge so they would be Tilbury docks that are misplaced. The only other thing I can think of would be your scenery library positions in your sim. All the Non FTX sceneries would need to be above your FTX entries which need to be above your OLC entries. Check in FTXC3 - Settings. Here is the correct order of a properly configured Simulator Scenery Library, showing the locations of FTX products in relation to each other, other 3rd party software and default items: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 Thanks I'll take a look and let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 Ok I've checked and everything seems to be where it should be, but I'm not 100% certain where my orbx and uk2000 libraries should be, currently I've got them just below my addon airports and above the open LC. Also I've remembered that I have Three Addon airports that also install extra scenery, example LPMA, LEIB and LEPA are all on islands and also install a new island with new textures with them, but they're no where near London so i don't see how they would affect the Thames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 All your 3rd party airports including UK2000 at the top downwards of your scenery library, - FTXAA ORBXLIBS, - OpenLC entries, - named Sim scenery, - Vector, etc. Have you tried deactivating your UK2000 airports ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Ok so the libraries go below the airports and above the open lc entries? Yes i have tried disabling the uk2000 airports but problem still persists, turning off vector is the only way to flatten the Thames so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Would you attach your scenery.cfg to your next post please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Not sure if this is the correct one. scenery.cfg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Hello, that is a default copy, so probably not. You will need to look in your programdata folder, depending on which simulator this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Ok I've found this one in my Program data folder. But something seems off, in the config it show the open lc, orbx airports and the orbx libs at the top, but when i go in game and look on the scenery libs i got them below my addon airports? Scenery.CFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hello, that is nothing to worry about. The scenery.cfg file lists the scenery in the opposite way to how it appears in game. You might move your FTX icon to just below addon scenery and click on Save. This will probably not solve the problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hello, Please copy and backup your current scenery.cfg to a safe place, and then copy and overwrite original with this one. Scenery.CFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hello there, thanks for the config file but It's still a mess, looking at the docks it looks like it was never modeled in to start with, with Vector off the water is there and the ships are correctly placed but with Vector on it all just land as if the dock were never put in to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hello, Did you follow Nicks advice and set your library points in FTXCentral = FTX scenery below addon scenery and OLC scenery below FTX scenery ? Is your mesh set at 5m, it may be your graphic settings but I am unsure if the Thames is water or grass. Is it the same with the scenery.cfg I sent or worse ? Have you run a Forced Migration in FTXCentral Settings, that will show if files are missing ? 1 other possibility to reinstall Vector by deleting FTX_GLOBAL_VECTOR_PACK in YourSim - Orbx - User Documents - Versions, FTXCentral will then show it as Not Installed, click to reinstall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 I have configured FTX central as per nicks instuctions still the same problem, I've tried your CFG and it's till the same, also tried increasing mesh to 5m and still the same, I'll try a reinstall tomorrow. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Ok reinstalled Vector but its still the same, can you please confirm that the docks have actually been modeled? there is no water ways where there should be, I suspect it's been missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Here are 2 pics, I am all out of ideas what could be causing your problem, the only thing left is your Addon scenery folder. This you can check by unticking in your Sim Library and then running the sim and viewing the docks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Start Orbx - Forums and check there is just the home button showing, click in the search box and enter corrupt terrain cfg if you are seeing land where there should be water. The only difference between us, is I have FTX England and FTX Global openLC Europe installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 I've tried the terrain.cfg fix by installing the fresh one from the thread about Ground Morphing bug, It just made it worse. XD I'm going to attempt a full reinstall tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Hello, Please do not spend any more time on this. You will not be able to fix this, I now know that the fault is with Vector and this should have been corrected years ago. If you run FTX Central, it should correct the errors that you have introduced into the terrain.cfg file. I will try and see if the Vector developers can do anything but their previous answer to the same question has been that rivers have bumps in them in the simulators. I you were to add FTX England, this problem is not there, mainly because FTX Vector is excluded from England and the England developers recognised the problem and solved it, as did the Microsoft developers before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Smith Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Hello Nick. That's not what I wanted to read but thanks for letting me know, Theses are more than just bumps though . Well i do 90% of my flying in England so FTX England was something I was considering anyway, just don't like the idea of spending money to fix something that really should be patched for free. Please let me know what they say. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Quote however after a week of trouble shooting ORBX have just told me that this is a known bug with Vector and but they wont be fixxing it as "Simulator river have bumps in them anyway.." but when i turn off Vector and go to the default terrain its flat and correct?! Apparently It's fixed if I buy FTX England..... If you are going to quote me on the Avsim forum, at least do me the courtesy of quoting what I wrote instead of your version of it. Quote You will not be able to fix this, I now know that the fault is with Vector and this should have been corrected years ago. If you run FTX Central, it should correct the errors that you have introduced into the terrain.cfg file. I will try and see if the Vector developers can do anything but their previous answer to the same question has been that rivers have bumps in them in the simulators. I you were to add FTX England, this problem is not there, mainly because FTX Vector is excluded from England and the England developers recognised the problem and solved it, as did the Microsoft developers before them. A bit more detail: FSX and P3D rivers follow the mesh contours, mesh is often imperfect because when the data is collected, it can be distorted by structures and objects on the ground. This would appear to be the case throughout the simulator world, whether you have a Vector product installed or whether you do not. The developers of FSX and of EU England have recognised this and created some flattens to remove the undulations in the rivers. These are not everywhere, they were only made where the developers thought the customers might fly most, near cities and airports for example. There is one in the area of the Thames that you are highlighting. The developers of Vector, a company named Pilot's, clearly decided not to do this and Vector excludes all of the default flattens, leaving rivers with undulations in the water where they were previously flattened. The fact remains that the vast majority of simulator rivers worldwide have undulations in them that are not corrected, so in that respect Pilot's comment is correct. If you wish to quote this, please use copy and paste and not your own interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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