John Venema Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hello all, Just some more work-in-progress shots of YMML V2.0, which we will be placing on pre-order soon for an expected release within 6 weeks. Martin and I are hard at work on the complete makeover of this iconic airport using the vastly improved modeling efficiencies used at YBBN. The entire main airport terminal complex is a single model of only 20,000 polygons, which is a fraction of the geometry used for YMML V1.x I am also working on the 7cm ground imagery around the airport which provide the most up-to-date markings, gate locations, taxiways, roadways and terminal areas as it stand right now in 2010 at the real airport. Please note that some of the buildings you see are still using some placeholder textures and aren't indicative of the final textures we'll use (based on recent photos taken airside). We have amped up the resolution of the regional coverage from 1m/pixel to 60cm/pixel and extended the aerial imagery to include the town of Bulla, Gladstown Park, Taylors Lakes and Watergardens shopping centre, and Airport West. We're also considering adding in Calder Park Raceway and the two BP service stations if we have time (or place it in a free service pack). YMML V2.0 will be priced at AU$32.95 for both the online or DVD edition (Yes, there will now be a DVD edition!) YMML 1.0 customers can upgrade to V2.0 for just AU$8.95 (online FSS upgrade only) TIP: Since YMML V1.5 will be discontinued, we recommend any new customers purchase YMML 1.5 for $23.95 before the V2.0 release, then upgrade for $8.95 - you'll get both airport versions for the same price. Performance at this beta stage is fantastic; much, much better FPS than YMML V1.x, that's for sure. The only caveat is that this airport needs a beefy PC to keep up with the 7cm texture areas (airside aprons etc). We won't mince words - from a texture refresh handling point of view YMML V2.0 is an i7 proposition, but the rewards are very nice FPS. [ALL pricing information in this topic is not valid as of October 31st, 2010] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan2 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Sounds good John. The increased coverage area of a couple of suburbs will be appreciated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic_Sheep Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Fantastic! Been waiting for this for a while! Glad to see that more DVD editions are coming out. Future proofs the purchases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Mason Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 A dream come true, I grew up in taylors lakes, lived there until I moved to the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skooby Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Wonderful news and fantastic work. Skooby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt sl Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 cant wait looking forward to it . any shots of the new intl gates area ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 cant wait looking forward to it . any shots of the new intl gates area ? Shot #5 shows the terminal expansion and some gates, but using placeholder textures for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Emms Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Looks fantastic chaps Emmsies down for a pre pay when available. cheers Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conchulio Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hey John, will the new YMML V2.0 also come with a new Control Panel similar to the one used for YBBN? I really like the YBBN Control Panel as it gives us people with <i7 cpus the ability to still enjoy your (always) marvelous work. Conchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hey John, will the new YMML V2.0 also come with a new Control Panel similar to the one used for YBBN? I really like the YBBN Control Panel as it gives us people with <i7 cpus the ability to still enjoy your (always) marvelous work. Conchi Yes of course; all our airports have a CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost in Isaan Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Performance at this beta stage is fantastic; much, much better FPS than YMML V1.x, that's for sure. The only caveat is that this airport needs a beefy PC to keep up with the 7cm texture areas (airside aprons etc). We won't mince words - from a texture refresh handling point of view YMML V2.0 is an i7 proposition, but the rewards are very nice FPS. In saying that can we with lower end specifications expect to be able to move our sliders further to the right at YMML if we upgrade to Version 2? And maybe add some enhancements from the CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Performance at this beta stage is fantastic; much, much better FPS than YMML V1.x, that's for sure. The only caveat is that this airport needs a beefy PC to keep up with the 7cm texture areas (airside aprons etc). We won't mince words - from a texture refresh handling point of view YMML V2.0 is an i7 proposition, but the rewards are very nice FPS. Hi John, YMML v2.0 looks great and the upgrade price is very reasonable too. I currently run YMML v1.5 ok on my rig (non i7 - see spec's in sig) and YBBN not too bad either although with most things disabled in the CP. Would you say that v2.0 is comparable to YBBN performance wise? Cheers, Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Performance should be comparable yes, but we won't know for sure until we get closer to the final assets in place. We will be getting some tester feedback in the coming week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Mason Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'll be testing this on a T9300 2.6 Ghz GPU with an 8800 GTX card so if anyone will be able to see if it works on lower end specs I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyhalf Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 The new Gates look great John. Nicely done. Looking forward to it. Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_rulz_94 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Looking fantasic guys and great upgrade price credit card ready for pre-paid. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 Ok, build 1000 is now in testing and we're getting some amazing results. Here's one example: Stock 747, AI 30%, AGN: V-Dense, all other scenery sliders on max Default YMML .... 38.8 fps ORBX YMML V2 B1000.... 35.1 fps So YMML V2.0 is costing only +3 FPS over default FSX YMML. Reducing AGN to normal gets nearly 50FPS when static on the ground. This tester was using an i7 920 @4.0Ghz, 6GB RAM, 285GTX and W7-64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windshear Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Wow the ground looks real sharp! Glad to see the new extension of the intl terminal is included. But guys... You need to update your AI SQ 744... Ah those were the days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 But guys... You need to update your AI Already ahead of you - we're going to be releasing FTX AU Traffic V3.0 soon, which includes the SIA A380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realatp Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Ok, build 1000 is now in testing and we're getting some amazing results. Here's one example: Stock 747, AI 30%, AGN: V-Dense, all other scenery sliders on max Default YMML .... 38.8 fps ORBX YMML V2 B1000.... 35.1 fps So YMML V2.0 is costing only +3 FPS over default FSX YMML. Reducing AGN to normal gets nearly 50FPS when static on the ground. This tester was using an i7 920 @4.0Ghz, 6GB RAM, 285GTX and W7-64 I find that hard to believe, though I dont doubt you. What is different in terms of Development and Modelling at YMML vs YBBN? I can get 50FPS at YBBN right now, but only if I'm looking towards the water, when I move my head around towards the terminals I get about 19 FPS. Have there been new techniques implode at YMML? If so would there ever be another update for YBBN? Thanks much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 I find that hard to believe, though I dont doubt you. What is different in terms of Development and Modelling at YMML vs YBBN? I can get 50FPS at YBBN right now, but only if I'm looking towards the water, when I move my head around towards the terminals I get about 19 FPS. Have there been new techniques implode at YMML? If so would there ever be another update for YBBN? Thanks much. I am simply relaying some metrics coming back from testers. In fact, two of the testers are getting much better FPS than I am on my overclocked i7 (see my specs below), which indicates that either I need to do a defrag and some system tuning, or my 2560x1600 resolution is holding me back a little. Another tester is getting even higher numbers: Autogen - max buildings, 2000 trees Traffic - GA and airliner (default) 100%, cars 12% With the Robinson R22 I get 40 to 60+ FPS - that runs and looks SUPERB . With a demanding glass cockpit aircraft it's 15 FPS looking towards the city and 25+ looking towards the airport. Airport runs better than the city. Now for a reality check from a mid-spec PC tester (AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.3GHz, Ati Radeon HD 4870, Win7-64): 1. Robinson R22 lap over the main terminal area airside/landside AI traffic set to 50% a. Autogen 'Normal' Min 14, Max 29, Avg 21 b. Autogen ' Dense' Min 11, Max 28, Avg 19 c. Autogen ' Very Dense' Min 9, Max 22, Avg 16 2. Dodosim Bell 206: a. Autogen 'Normal' Min 13, Max 28, Avg 19 b. Autogen ' Dense' Min 11, Max 24, Avg 17 c. Autogen ' Very Dense' Min 9, Max 19, Avg 14 3. Dodosim Bell 206, Reduced Traffic (20%): a. Autogen 'Normal' Min 15, Max 27, Avg 20 b. Autogen ' Dense' Min 12, Max 25, Avg 18 c. Autogen ' Very Dense' Min 10, Max 21, Avg 15 What is different from YBBN? Same techniques, but this time the entire airport area is a single 3DSMax model, and we don't use a ground polygon for the airside aprons. I am sharing these testing metrics nice and early because I want our customers to make an informed decision about either upgrading or purchasing YMML V2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realatp Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Very well John, you have my vote, I'll be upgrading for sure. Thanks for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosariomanzo Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Looking forward to it, keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gheeD Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Can't wait for it, but darn it i first need to buy AU SP3 DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick@YMEN Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Orbx team, This is a great achievement for a much loved local airport....after reading the test results, I look forward to purchasing this DVD. As a bonus, with the anticipated release of FTX AU Traffic V3.0, I plan to download a car, drive along Operations Rd, park at the popular spotting area nearest 034 in order to view the V3.0 A380 landing. Going by the screenshots, it will be difficult to seperate from real life (minus the stray golf balls and occassional airport patrols along the perimeter). All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windshear Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Already ahead of you - we're going to be releasing FTX AU Traffic V3.0 soon, which includes the SIA A380 Ah good man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyxx Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Well even if it does not run well on my PC with the PMDG 748/JS41 it might be OK with the Airbus coming out, since there are only 2 produces of yours I don't have YMML being one, I will buy it anyway just to help in a little way. @JV are them clouds the new ones from REX that we can look forward to soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 No, those REX clouds are a special private set Tim made for me back in 2007 and I've only ever used them, they're that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vee One Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Hi John! That looks splendid! I have YMML 1.5 and I am looking forward on getting the 2.0 upgrade. Maybe in my actual rig it won't go very smooth. But I'm looking forward to upgrading some day, and when I do... Thanks for the wonderful upgrade price, John! Greetings from Spain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt sl Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Hi just curious , have all the apron markings and numbering of bays etc been redone in this version. ive noted some changes around the rex/ tiger areas in terms of the markings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 6, 2010 Author Share Posted August 6, 2010 Hi just curious , have all the apron markings and numbering of bays etc been redone in this version. ive noted some changes around the rex/ tiger areas in terms of the markings Yes indeed they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt sl Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 thanks john as always orbx a step ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenWood Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I for sure will be getting the 2.0 upgrade! I do decent with v1.5 on this laptop, and imagine I will enjoy a nice performance increase, too! Thanks for all the hard work on so many projects, JV. You and the team are far exceeding my dreams with the "A R A I G" (MS slogan) look you are providing us! Many Cheers to the Team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson Pow Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I haven't got the original ORBX YMML, so what's the difference from original to 2.0 besides the new international terminal? AU Blue Temperate South #73560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyxx Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Well the very first post in this topic "Performance at this beta stage is fantastic; much, much better FPS than YMML V1.x, that's for sure." Sorry but you do need to read the topic and not just the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusJ Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 JV, will we have the option to turn off ground polys as we do for YBBN? My computer hates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Venema Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 JV, will we have the option to turn off ground polys as we do for YBBN? My computer hates them. We are not using ground polys for YMML2 - only poly runways, which perform extremely well. Instead, we're using the Tamworth approach of 7cm airside imagery. The only downside to that is you'll probably want a quad-core CPU to ensure there's less blurries. Although unless you're cruising over the airport in a helo, generally you won't get blurries when taxiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusJ Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 JV, will we have the option to turn off ground polys as we do for YBBN? My computer hates them. We are not using ground polys for YMML2 - only poly runways, which perform extremely well. Instead, we're using the Tamworth approach of 7cm airside imagery. The only downside to that is you'll probably want a quad-core CPU to ensure there's less blurries. Although unless you're cruising over the airport in a helo, generally you won't get blurries when taxiing. Thanks John. I have an i7 920 not overclocked - I assume that will be okay. It runs Brissie alright with no ground polys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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