Anna Cicognani Posted November 15 Posted November 15 Following an internal investigation, Orbx has decided to remove all BMW and BMW+AmSim products from its platforms due to a data protection breach. We are actively communicating with the developer, and if a satisfactory resolution to this breach is achieved, we will consider reinstating our agreement with the developer and the sale of their products. Customers who previously purchased BMW products will continue to receive support and will retain access to re-download their purchases. 5 1
wain71 Posted November 15 Posted November 15 Nice to see a statement from Orbx, let us see how this goes though reading elsewhere it doesn't appear to be going very well, if the allegations are true then action must be taken... 3
carlosqr Posted November 20 Posted November 20 Thank you If this results negative. What will be the action to take against the accusers? Or will it be simply forgotten? I would say that to have a fair play, the products or the accused and the accusers should be removed from all the stores until the situation is clarified. Not only the accused should be put to doubt. If things are unclear then all of them should be put off, no preferences or benefits for either one.
John Dow Posted November 20 Posted November 20 Don't be too judgemental, back in the early days of Orbx and similar vendors kicking off, there was a case of content in a product that was being marketed (not an Orbx product) belonging to someone else, but the devs didn't know because the code had been provided by a third party and there was no way to know it had been 'borrowed'. So it's possible that an honest mistake has been made, let's see what happens. 2 1
Scott Harmes Posted November 20 Posted November 20 11 hours ago, carlosqr said: Thank you If this results negative. What will be the action to take against the accusers? Or will it be simply forgotten? I would say that to have a fair play, the products or the accused and the accusers should be removed from all the stores until the situation is clarified. Not only the accused should be put to doubt. If things are unclear then all of them should be put off, no preferences or benefits for either one. 7 hours ago, John Dow said: Don't be too judgemental, back in the early days of Orbx and similar vendors kicking off, there was a case of content in a product that was being marketed (not an Orbx product) belonging to someone else, but the devs didn't know because the code had been provided by a third party and there was no way to know it had been 'borrowed'. So it's possible that an honest mistake has been made, let's see what happens. Here is a link with more info on the situation. There is even more information at Avsim, as you could imagine, and wherever Flightbeam originally posted. AFAIK, this isn't a case of a dev using another devs models or textures like we've had in the past, but instead these devs have been accused of sharing other devs sceneries on pirate sites. They have also been accused of badmouthing devs (particularly Flighbeam , who banned them) in public under an alias, and of course also releasing airports that Flightbeam are working on, before Flightbeam releases them. The last point seems hard to prove, but hilariously petty. Flightbeam and others have provided proof for their accusations.
John Dow Posted November 20 Posted November 20 Aha... sounds like they've got what was coming to them. Maybe trhere's a history we don't know about but the FS add-on world is no place for cowboys and pirates, and a zero tolerance protocol must be enforced. Thanks for the info! 3
wain71 Posted November 20 Posted November 20 what I read it seems like more than one dev, the guy then tried to say it was a younger relation that had shared them, it's a bad thing if it's true and should not be allowed, people work hard to bring this stuff to us, I see at JF how long it takes, it's not just costs but all the effort and time ... 1
carlosqr Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Ok In the worst case, what would happen to all purchased products? I'm really worried about those. I know that if they work, it will continue being so, but in case of an issue, conflict, or update needed what is it going to happen? I mean there should be a sort of "guarantee" for us for the money paid. I don't picture myself removing an airport just because is no longer in the catalogue. I believe the developer should provide support directly as has been defined since day one for products not produced by Orbx but as it has been installed through Central, how would those fix/updates will be provided? Maybe he will have to provide them directly and that means Orbx uninstall We would need to prove purchase too I guess. What a mess What an unfortunate, uncomfortable and ugly situation. I hope all gets cleared soon Cheers Carlos
Sante Sottile Posted November 21 Posted November 21 21 minutes ago, carlosqr said: Ok In the worst case, what would happen to all purchased products? I'm really worried about those. I know that if they work, it will continue being so, but in case of an issue, conflict, or update needed what is it going to happen? I mean there should be a sort of "guarantee" for us for the money paid. I don't picture myself removing an airport just because is no longer in the catalogue. I believe the developer should provide support directly as has been defined since day one for products not produced by Orbx but as it has been installed through Central, how would those fix/updates will be provided? Maybe he will have to provide them directly and that means Orbx uninstall We would need to prove purchase too I guess. What a mess What an unfortunate, uncomfortable and ugly situation. I hope all gets cleared soon Cheers Carlos Products for previous owners will always stay in your Orbx account and can be downloaded via Orbx Central at any time. These are not going away. 1 1
mikkel Posted November 21 Posted November 21 On 11/20/2024 at 2:27 PM, Scott Harmes said: and of course also releasing airports that Flightbeam are working on, before Flightbeam releases them. The last point seems hard to prove, but hilariously petty. Flightbeam and others have provided proof for their accusations. You know that that is perfectly legal. The MSFS-community still seems like it's run by 14-year-olds. 1
John Dow Posted November 21 Posted November 21 11 minutes ago, mikkel said: You know that that is perfectly legal. The MSFS-community still seems like it's run by 14-year-olds. Ummmm no, the flightsim community overall has been a model of adult behaviours including respect and cooperation, which has benefited everyone. Certain 'legal' actions might be of short term benefit to some players but they can do harm in the long run. 2
mikkel Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Cancel culture and slander is not a valid replacement for a court room.
Scott Harmes Posted November 22 Posted November 22 10 hours ago, mikkel said: You know that that is perfectly legal. The MSFS-community still seems like it's run by 14-year-olds. I, nor anyone else said it was illegal. You'll also notice I said it was hilariously petty. It says more about the character of the accused devs than their other illegal activities. 2
Abriael Posted November 22 Posted November 22 On 11/21/2024 at 10:55 PM, mikkel said: Cancel culture and slander is not a valid replacement for a court room. Piracy is not a valid replacement for buying things. 2
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