paul123 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Hi I have just purchased EDDT from Orbx Central. However it is impossible to fly in and out of this airport as FMC is saying EDDT is not in the database. Really annoyed. Can you help ? Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternT3 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Which sim? I believe this issue needs to be sorted by someone like Navigraph rather than Orbx. However theoretically, it's correct for EDDT not to be in the database as EDDT is now closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul123 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 MSFS 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul123 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Doing some research a post was put on Orbx on July 9th 2021 about the same issue which apparently is unresolved. If I had known this I obvioulsy would not of purchased this. It is completely unreasonable for Orbx to still market this product as it is not fit for purpose. £20 of my hard earned money wasted on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternT3 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) Like I said I don't think it's Orbx's or Gaya's issue to fix, rather the issue of Navigraph or Asobo/NavBlue But imo there's no 'issue' as the airport is closed so therefore is correct not to show in nav databases Edited September 15, 2022 by EasternT3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul123 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 So why on earth would you buy an airport where it is impossible to use navdata to fly into ?. Just gawp at the airport ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternT3 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) Because some people may like to recreate flights of the past, same reason why Kai Tak is still a popular airport in the simming community. Yes, no navdata makes it harder, but it still is possible. Edited September 15, 2022 by EasternT3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul123 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Orbx and other sellers need to post in description that there is no navdata is available for this airport. Would like an answer from admin on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfish55 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 3 hours ago, paul123 said: So why on earth would you buy an airport where it is impossible to use navdata to fly into ?. Just gawp at the airport ?? Not if you are flying GA. Not everyone flies solely in the big tin and to have an airport almost in the middle of a major city is a major plus for GA fliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Sawatzky Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 11 hours ago, paul123 said: Orbx and other sellers need to post in description that there is no navdata is available for this airport. Would like an answer from admin on this. Hi I think it would be more appropriate for you to take this up with the developer first. This product has been produced by Gaya Simulations. For Gaya Simulations product support, please to go http://www.gaya-simulations.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Maybe Orbx should place a warning on the EDDT product page saying something like "Note: For this airport are no nav data available" or the like. This just would be fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 11 hours ago, flyingfish55 said: Not if you are flying GA. Not everyone flies solely in the big tin and to have an airport almost in the middle of a major city is a major plus for GA fliers. I think the production of airports like EDDT, KJFK, EGLL etc. is not really aiming at VFR flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Hello, the purchase of the model of a closed airport is a delight to some and a disaster to others. Meigs Airport in Chicago closed in a blaze of publicity in 2003 and yet there is still demand for a model of it, even in MSFS. I think it is highly unlikely that it would appear in any "FMS database" either. It is not a secret that Tegel airport closed in 2020 and it should be no surprise to find that it is no longer in a database. @paul123 Please submit a support ticket and a refund will be considered. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfish55 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 hours ago, wolfko said: I think the production of airports like EDDT, KJFK, EGLL etc. is not really aiming at VFR flyers. Agreed Wolfko in respect of the latter two mentioned which are currently fully operational airports however I would assume, perhaps mistakenly, that most simmers would know that Tegel is no longer operational and therefore navdata will not be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello, the purchase of the model of a closed airport is a delight to some and a disaster to others. Meigs Airport in Chicago closed in a blaze of publicity in 2003 and yet there is still demand for a model of it, even in MSFS. I think it is highly unlikely that it would appear in any "FMS database" either. It is not a secret that Tegel airport closed in 2020 and it should be no surprise to find that it is no longer in a database. @paul123 Please submit a support ticket and a refund will be considered. Yes but flying VFR into Meigs was quite common, which was not for Tegel. The Gaya Tegel is representing an airport like it was, when it still existed, incl. static aircraft, approach lights etc. So IMO also the navdata of this past time has to be included. If I had bought Tegel (which I haven't) I also would have expected to have applicable (retro) navdata included. Otherwise the purchase of such an airport really does not make much sense. It is actually not much work for a developer to include obsolete navdata in his product. Kai Tak has got it. All the promo pics and the video on the Orbx product site arouse the impression that this is a fully operational airport of the past. Edited September 16, 2022 by wolfko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, flyingfish55 said: Agreed Wolfko in respect of the latter two mentioned which are currently fully operational airports however I would assume, perhaps mistakenly, that most simmers would know that Tegel is no longer operational and therefore navdata will not be available. I see your point, but there is a Kai Tak product on the market (at least for another sim) which has the necessary navdata included. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfish55 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) Again Wolfgang, I agree with your point however in my opinion this is an issue to be discussed either with the developer or with Navigraph or any other navaid supplier. Surely Orbx cannot be expected to be aware of all the pros and cons of the products it is partnered with. In the same way, If you bought an item from a store in your local Hight Street, you would not expect the store to refund you unless the item was faulty. There is a legal principle which still holds good - buyer beware. This means in law that there is a basic premise that the onus falls upon the buyer to investigate the product before completing the purchase. Edited September 16, 2022 by flyingfish55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 According to a Navigraph forum post and AIRAC release notes, EDDT Tegel was added with AIRAC 2205: Quote AIRAC 2205 Revision 1 (2022-05-19): AIRAC 2205 for Microsoft Flight Simulator released navdata (navaids, fixes and terminal procedures) for the historical airport EDDT Berlin-Tegel added (available in the MSFS navdata + all MSFS addons) [Source] and from the FMS Data Developer: Quote Be aware, we are speaking from the datasets and not from the charts … we offer only the navdata for the outdated airport EDDT but no charts. Also, you can´t create a route with it because it´s an none existing airport (like VHHX) and there are no routes. So you must enter historical routes directly into your FMC/S, or Garmin. [Source] I checked in both the PMDG 737-800 and the default Cessna 172 and was able to select the airport and available procedures. I was also able to fly an ILS approach with the Cessna 172 to a version of EDDT that was present in the sim - I do not have the Gaya version of EDDT. There are a few sites around that offer charts from old airports (like EDDT, VHHX, etc.). 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcurrane Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 9:24 PM, EasternT3 said: Like I said I don't think it's Orbx's or Gaya's issue to fix, rather the issue of Navigraph or Asobo/NavBlue snow rider 3d But imo there's no 'issue' as the airport is closed so therefore is correct not to show in nav databases Just gawp at the airport ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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