Popular Post Orbx Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 As the dust continues to settle, we would like to take the time to provide you with a little update. Microsoft Flight Simulator represents a new era in flight simming with an entirely new game engine and we at Orbx are looking forward to supporting it with new and improved addons. We have been involved with many of our other 3rd party colleagues, and given our feedback to Asobo on the SDK and will continue to do that, so we all have a feature rich toolset to help us deliver more great content. As you have seen with our MSFS launch products, we started with some of our newer releases, which already feature PBR and modern design techniques, and updated them for the new sim. And in the case of KORS and LOWI, developers Andreas Hegi and Jarrad Marshall made substantial updates, almost from scratch, so as to take advantage of the latest tech. As we had mentioned earlier, the SDK continues to evolve and improve with regards to scenery design and as those features unlock, we will update our airports to take advantage of them. This would include custom mesh, custom jetways and ground polys with even more custom details. Look out for more in our newly launched Landmarks series. We will continue to build packs to make cities look great, and try to fill gaps where photogrammetry may not exist. These Landmarks are designed and optimised to be enjoyed whilst exploring from above but we understand that some will want to get up real close. To that end we will take feedback on some the most highly sought after Landmarks and create higher definition models as a free upgrade, taking into account the sim performance at the same time. It is not hard to make high def buildings and textures, but the sim performance will degrade substantially if those files get too big! Stay tuned as we continue to make further updates! Lastly, one of the most frequently asked questions was “how does this compare to default?” - we have prepared some slider images for you below so you can see how much more detail we put into our products. Landmarks London City Pack EGLC London City Airport EGNM Leeds Bradford Airport LOWI Innsbruck Airport KTIW Tacoma Narrows Airport KORS Orcas Island Airport 27 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianV Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Amazing as the new sim is, the love you bring to Orbx addons shines through. Looking forward to many more beautiful locations and capital cities enhanced by Orbx magic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afterburner Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Wow, when I compare the before and after parts, I feel like the jump in quality is almost equivalent to another FSX -> NextGen MSFS2020. And some users on other forums claimed that Add-On companies would become redundant... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mawson Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Well so many people were claiming that MSFS was going to mean you did not need add on scenery, but here we are back where we started . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Cooper Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Hello, like so many of the uninformed and imaginative claims made before the details were released, that one turned out to be not the case. That was why I put so much effort into keeping the invention and gossip out of the Orbx forums, with the intention that in these forums at least, customers could read just the facts released by the developers. 17 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otooleg@aol.com Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Now that's how to sell a product - very impressive! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvidencePlz Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) These sliders should have happened earlier. Either way my wallet now hates you even more than it ever did. Edited August 19, 2020 by EvidencePlz 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc44kin Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Looks great,although I have seen no mention of difference in FPS with and without! Doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayster Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 London looks great compared to default, would love to see other uk cities get this treatment, like Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirids Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I upgraded my London area last night and it looks really good. Would be nice to see my home city, but I know that’s not likely to happen as there are so many people wanting the same thing. However, would be good if you did a UK version of Landmarks, POI’s etc. As in the True Earth South, my home city of Plymouth has a lot of them In that. The waterfront in Plymouth is iconic and currently lacks that image in MSFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosqr Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Wow is impressive how the default products needs Orbx magic. Very looking forward for more beauties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Morgan Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Little error on the EGNM product page, a most impressive use of space! Quote The download size of this product is 2.85 GB. It uses 0.00 B when installed. The side by side shots are impressive differences for first release products. Hopefully the few minor issues will be addressed in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Nice.. That's a great way of showing the difference.. Always said there was plenty of scope for Orbx.. MSFS is looking great but always room for improvement.. How long do we have to take advantage of the discount.. I have sim through Xbox game pass.. If I purchase a different version can I move any Orbx addons to my new version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daxre Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I’d love to have as many small airfields as possible from you. Asobo’s Courchevel is a masterpiece in my opinion. It’s such a great feeling to fly from there. I’d love to see Speichersdorf, which is quite close to my home, or like Weiden. Both airfields are in Bavaria. Such a nice region. I’d also love to see the island of Greenland reworked including the Airports there which are quite some but all really small. Greenland is probably amongst the nicest regions on this planet. Thank you for developing for FS2020:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hargreaves Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 From experience with alpha testing, this was one of my main worries, that certain glamourous locations looked great, but many cities just weren't recognisable enough. These city packs will really help to bring the sim to life. Default EGNM has a row of victorian terrace houses along the edge of the ramp, looks very nice, but slightly out of place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax444 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I’m looking forward to getting started with the new sim over the weekend - my wallet however is not!! Amazing work guys - those really show the difference! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crom UK Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, wain71 said: I have sim through Xbox game pass.. If I purchase a different version can I move any Orbx addons to my new version? I don't see why not. I'd recommend buying and installing them through Orbx Central, that looks for your MSFS2020 install location and can download them directly there or to a library location of your choice. If for instance you purchased a Steam version (as an example) at a later date, I'd imagine that you can then download your purchased files again via Orbx Central or from your library and install them in MSFS2020 under steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl95 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 If you fly in PNW Orbx in P3dV5 and then PNW FS2020 you will learn, that FS2020 needs much more Orbx !!! Achim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Woodford Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 certainly was surprised how much is missing - cathedrals and stadiums for example.. stuff that TrueEarth really shone on.. here’s the default Durham *sans Cathedral* or any actual recognisable feature in the new sim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Machado Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) Oh boy, did I have a blast yesterday! Amazing stuffs from you guys! Edited August 19, 2020 by Gabriel Machado PAPI issue in Leeds already reported in the appropriate forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F737MAX Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) To echo what has been said by a few people in this thread, MSFS is nice, but the lack of POIs in MSFS (unlike with TrueEarth regions) makes the majority of smaller towns and cities look very uniform - they could be anywhere. I hope it's possible to have good-looking and good-performing POI packages rolled out for MSFS. GB, Netherlands, Balearic Islands and smaller conurbations in the USA would look a lot better with them. Edited August 19, 2020 by F737NG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLens Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Afterburner said: Wow, when I compare the before and after parts, I feel like the jump in quality is almost equivalent to another FSX -> NextGen MSFS2020. And some users on other forums claimed that Add-On companies would become redundant... alot of people were in disbelief when certain people in the community laid it all out for the public, got so much hate for it and now its actually true what they were saying... I feel the sim was dumbed down for the 3rd party developers to enhance with,... we all win in the end so its all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crom UK Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I think that will depend on what photogrammetry updates Bing are doing. If Bing continue to update their 3D cities this should filter down to MSFS2020. Google is so much further ahead in this respect but even they don't provide full coverage. So until then there will be a need for POI packages. I'm sure as a Microsoft partner Orbx will have to be informed of the plans to update Bing as it would not make commercial sense for Orbx to release a Landmark pack for a city soon to be replaced with PhotoGrammetry scenery. There is supposedly monthly updates for MSFS and we may see any Bing updates coming through those 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Clarke Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I also think that a lot of the "missing stuff" may be intentional as it certainly allows scenery developers like Orbx to contribute potentially very heavily in these missing areas. Consider MSFS as a platform and not as a totally all encompassing, nothing else to do, complete sim. It isn't and will never be, but with MS updates and 3rd party devs contributing to an ever improving sim, then things are looking very bright, for MS, the Sim and 3rd party devs. There are going to be learning curves especially for devs let alone customers of the sim itself. No one has yet got a completed final SDK as it is constantly being worked on by MS so there are going to be initial "restrictions" as to what can be done in scenery addons, as is being noted by some. These glitches or anomalies are shared responsibilities of both Asebo and the 3rd [arty devs. When restrictions are found then Devs report that to Asebo for potential rectification. We all need to be patient and enjoy what is on offer currently as more will become on offer as time goes on. Exciting times I think. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Hello, that all makes sense to me. I look forward to some of my favourite aircraft, not least a DC 3. Those included are perfectly fine but do not necessarily cater to everyone's taste. Like Jon writes, and indeed as we have been told loud and clear, this is only the beginning. On that basis it is indeed remarkably good. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper31 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 These sliders really showcase what the great artists at Orbx can do with this great new MSFS platform. And yes, I agree with Jon and Nick above, a platform it is. But, in my opinion, one of the best flight sim platforms we GA simmers have ever had access to! Asobo and MS have really planted the flag with MSFS and Orbx looks to grab the flag and run with it. Can't wait to see what else Orbx developers do for this new sim platform. Exciting times in the sim world indeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityplanner87 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Will there be an update for Tacoma Narrows to address night lighting? It looks great during the day, but at night there are no lights on the taxiways and the bridge asset is dark. You can make out where the Microsoft lights end and Orbx scenery starts. Thanks for some great scenery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbx Flyer Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Doc44kin said: Looks great,although I have seen no mention of difference in FPS with and without! Doc. I bought the KORS and KTIW...not one FPS lost...was simply amazing...the the KORS transformation...well....Orbx has the hook in my MSFS mouth, yet again...;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbx Flyer Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, cityplanner87 said: Will there be an update for Tacoma Narrows to address night lighting? It looks great during the day, but at night there are no lights on the taxiways and the bridge asset is dark. You can make out where the Microsoft lights end and Orbx scenery starts. Thanks for some great scenery. .and unfortunately, I have two trees growing out of the mid deck of the twin spans...so weird...hope Orbx can cut them down...as well as fix this. I noticed it too, so not just your system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvidencePlz Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 please do KPWT, EGGP and Liverpool for MSFS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbx Flyer Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 hours ago, CaptainLens said: alot of people were in disbelief when certain people in the community laid it all out for the public, got so much hate for it and now its actually true what they were saying... I feel the sim was dumbed down for the 3rd party developers to enhance with,... we all win in the end so its all good Gotta tell ya...these A/B slide comparisons...are deadly....lol, on LOWI...which I did not purchase when buying my first two MSFS properties...well, the A/B did me in...just picked it up, Yep..the Orbx hook is still tugging...post P3D and XP! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orbmoke Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Nope - I'll be sticking with XP11 and download any TE + large airport addons that Orbx provide in the future for that sim. If they don't then they don't and I'll be fine with that. I'll take a view on MSFS AFTER XP12 is released (even if that's years ahead) and then compare. Meanwhile, I'm more than happy with Orbx addons that I have to date and just love the quality that the sim provides with all the Orbx addons that I have so far. There are many other advantages that XP11 has over MSFS at the moment, but those advantages may disappear over time as Microsoft upgrades - we shall see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChicoMick Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Here are some comparison shots of my own... Orbx at the top, default below. From the London Landmarks.. Very disappointing, have never seen addon scenery that is worse than default! I hope this will be updated... 8 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post N1EL Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Orbx, Please go through everything you have "improved" in the London package, Be honest to yourself and remove updates that clearly aren't improvements. Then Improve something that need improving?? 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbx Flyer Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I haven't looked at LOWI yet..but I can personally vouch for the quality porting of KORS. It truly transforms the airport and inhabited part of the island. Very nice. I highly recommend that port, if KORS in P3D and XP11 matters to you running with it. KORS/MSFS is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben McClintock Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, ChicoMick said: I hope this will be updated... 11 minutes ago, N1EL said: Orbx, Please go through everything you have "improved" in the London package, Be honest to yourself and remove updates that clearly aren't improvements. Then Improve something that need improving?? In the initial post that you both replied to, the things you mention have already been acknowledged: Quote To that end we will take feedback on some the most highly sought after Landmarks and create higher definition models as a free upgrade, taking into account the sim performance at the same time 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtrjones Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) Hi Orbx I have to say your update to London was very timely and welcome! I've seen and read a lot about some of the quality of the London assets and I guess what puzzles me is that they seem to be placeholders as the Tower of London for example looks a lot different to the much higher quality versions in P3D and X-Plane. I don't think it's fair to compare with the Asobo POI's when you are adding 400 assets into London! Anyway the feel of London is there and it looks amazing at times. Good job and I look forward to seeing some of the assets improved when time permits. Edited August 19, 2020 by dtrjones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lars Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) Rumour has it that some people were so excited about the new sim that they claimed that addons were not needed anymore in the bright future of MSFS. This broad array of with/without comparisons speak for themselves. Edited August 19, 2020 by Captain Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtrjones Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, jazzman said: The london scenery pack for MSFS 2020 is the worst product Orbx has ever released. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I feel totally ripped off. The default scenery is far better than your load of rubbish. I also purchased London city airport and that looks brilliant. Please designers, take a look at tower bridge and compare it with the default, you should be ashamed of your selves. To cap it, Buckingham Palace where the queen lives, looks like a prison behind ten foot high walls, that should be railings. Is there to be an urgent update or can I have a refund please as this is not fit for purpose. Welcome to the forums @jazzman don't be shy now posting what you feel! crikey! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbx Flyer Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Captain Lars said: Rumour has it that some people were so excited about the new sim that they claimed that addons were not needed anymore in the bright future of MSFS. This broad array of with/without comparisons speak for themselves. "Shhh, but there is a replacement rumor...that the MSFS dev's deliberately dumbed down many major MSFS-native airports, so to leave room for 3rP's not to starve to death in the MSFS wilderness.".... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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