ydelta Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Looks like the ortho files of TE SoCal generate 'stairs' on certain runways (KSAN and KYMF). I tried desactivate every file (even other addon) these "bumps" appear with the Ortho folder is activated. Am I the only one having this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddlesdenLad Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Just checking KSAN now, looks absolutely fine to me. landed at kmyf earlier and that was also fine. Stock airports by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Which version of these airports are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Craighead Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 I'm having the same problem. KSEE is a train wreck. I'm using a fresh install of XP-11... All default everything. Thanks for the help! I'm really glad you guys did SoCal! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Craighead Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 SAN looks pretty good at this point... But the actual terrain is super flat there. MYF is not as bad as SEE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 It depends on the default airports. Some have "flattening" enabled and others don't. I did correct a few, but as has been the case with the other regions, the airports get updated a few days later. N.B. We can't fix the default airports in X-Plane, we can only provide tweaked versions of these. I'll check out these airports and see if I can smooth them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddlesdenLad Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Oh yes, big problem at KSEE, not seen that anywhere else (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Thanks, I'll get a patch done to flatten these. If you notice anymore, please do report here as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Craighead Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Will do! Thanks a ton for all the amazing work man. Will I have to do anything to get the patch installed when released? Regards, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Ron Craighead said: Will I have to do anything to get the patch installed when released? It should just update via Orbx Central, so when you run that it'll install any updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Moved to bug reports forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydelta Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 For KSAN the issue is between the end of runway 27 and the threshold marks. I use the MisterX6 version of that airport but I desactivated it and same issue, it only disappears when I desactivate Ortho SoCal in the sim. For KMYF I use the stock airport and there are bumps on runway 05/23 (the longer one is fine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavik Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 KBWC is a bit of a rollercoaster, just made a post about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruced39 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 @Tony Wroblewski I also agree just tried another flight landing in KSAN and the runway has dips in it. I too am using MisterX KSAN scenery and have no runway issues when disabling TE SOCAL and when it's enabled it has the dips. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydelta Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 I managed to fix the "roller coaster" runway issue at KSAN by editing the apt.dat file provided in the KSAN airport folder of MisterX6 and add the 1302 flatten 1 entry just after the airport header Now for KMYF, I've no addon on top of TrueEarth and editing the default apt.dat file in resources/default scenery/default apt dat/earth nav data does not solve the bumps issue so I guess that should be fixed with a patch at the TE Socal Ortho level by Orbx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFlight Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 What is happened to KNID China Lake NAWS? Earthquake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcallum Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 I use this version of KSAN and it looks fine to me. John https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/57437-ksan-san-diego-intl-airport/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuldoonX9 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Seconding the very bumpy KMYF on runway 10L/28R. Stock airport from X-Plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 11:08 AM, jcallum said: I use this version of KSAN and it looks fine to me. John https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/57437-ksan-san-diego-intl-airport/ Yes, I also use the Captnchris KSAN and am not seeing any airport issues so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just checked KMYF (default) and both runways and taxiways have ramps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt rickoo Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I having the same problem with KSAN have bump on taxiway when i delete the Orbx it’s fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt rickoo Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Am using the captnchris too can you post your ini Neilw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Sorry, I just did a free cam run from the end of 09 and it does have several ramp issues. Sad. No more fixed wind flights at my main airport until this is fixed. Fortunately I'm doing a lot of heli flying at the moment, but do want/need to do fixed wing here at KSAN ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Chaytou Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 KSAN , KMRY, have bump on taxiway and runway when i delete the Orbx it’s fine ,also SFD KLAX and payware KSNA have some floating issues. something to do with mesh i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Chaytou Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I think Orbx rushed TE SOCAL , i own all the TE for xplane and i have to say very disappointed with TE SOCAL Orbx need to fix this issue asap . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Came up with a temp fix by editing the Earth nav data/apt.dat file by adding a 1300 flatten 1 near the top. I 1000 Generated by WorldEditor 2.0.0r3 1 17 1 0 KSAN San Diego Intl 1302 city San Diego 1302 flatten 1 1302 country United States 1302 datum_lat 32.733555556 1302 datum_lon -117.189666667 That did introduce a problem with missing center striping in a section of the runway, but at least the airport is now usable. Perhaps someone knows how to fix the "foggy" patch???? Beyond my skillset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Found a bit of a fix/improvement: If you look at the next line in the apt.dat, which is 100 62.00 15 0 0.00 1 0 0 09 32.73712432 -117.20436304 313 0 0 10 1 0 27 32.72999968 -117.17497910 555 0 0 10 1 0 62 is the elevation of the field and is what it gets flattened at; change it to 65 to read 100 65.00 15 0 0.00 1 0 0 09 32.73712432 -117.20436304 313 0 0 10 1 0 27 32.72999968 -117.17497910 555 0 0 10 1 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 A note here for patches: - KSAN - San Diego International - KMYF - Montgomery Field - KSEE - Bumpy - KBWC - Bumpy - KNID - Bumpy - KMRY - Bumpy Enabling flattening on these fixes most of the bumpy problems, but the issue is that it then causes cliffs or floating buildings or breaks some payware airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/12/2020 at 4:31 AM, neilw said: Perhaps someone knows how to fix the "foggy" patch???? Beyond my skillset. I don't know what is causing this. My KSAN runway is a light grey colour. Is this some sort of addon or MisterX's airport environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Chaytou Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 A note here for patches: - KSAN - San Diego International - KMYF - Montgomery Field - KSEE - Bumpy - KBWC - Bumpy - KNID - Bumpy - KMRY - Bumpy Tony Wroblewski , THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 N.B, KMRY is not in the SoCal region, that will need to be resolved in NoCal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrbaird19 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Will patches be issued for these issues with San Diego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Yes, I've just submitted it. We'll test it internally first then push it up to OrbxCentral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrbaird19 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Thank you sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilw Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Tony Wroblewski said: I don't know what is causing this. My KSAN runway is a light grey colour. Is this some sort of addon or MisterX's airport environment? This is the Captnchris KSAN. https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/57437-ksan-san-diego-intl-airport/&page=7 In playing with the elevation edit, I'm pretty sure that the "grey" was simply an effect to sim the extra worn area of the most common touchdown area on RWY27. By increasing the elevation in the apt.dat file to about 66 or 67, the "foggy" grey becomes much more black and accurate/realistic. Once your patch/fix is out, I'll try reverting back to the original apt.dat file from the Captnchris package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Clarke Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Tony Wroblewski In the latest xp 11.50b6 was a revised Global Airports which added some new versions of a couple of existing airports plus some additional airports.If you look at the link you will see that there is a new edition of KSAN which looks similar ( green edges) to that of Captchris version. It is now the default KSAN in 11.50, but has not been added to 11.40/41. That is why we are seeing different issues. I have the new default KSAN and it is flat not bumpy. Here is the Gatway link. The file is the Scenery ID 50988 dates 15 Feb 2020 https://gateway.x-plane.com/scenery/page/KSAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Clarke Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 But causes floating buildings etc: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Yep, this is a real problem. Flattening KSAN makes a really ugly cliff around the airport and causes floating buildings. I've submitted an update (currently in testing) that smooths this out and included a version of KSAN that works. Unfortunately, MisterX's version won't have the edits he did. I'd suggest anyone angry about this to please take it up with Laminar Research who need to give developers the ability to patch meshes locally (This would solve so many issues). If MisterX is willing to provide his modified DEM data for both KLAX and KSAN, then I'd be happy to integrate them in to the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrbaird19 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Will this have any bearing on the city being corrected? How about the CaptChris version of San Diego? I think most folks have switched to that version of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wroblewski Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 You have a choice to use one or the other. I can't modify the exclusions in a third-party scenery. For our San Diego, there are now more tall buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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