John Heaton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 There is a simple answer to all this pondering on Internet speeds - and quality of Hardware needed - subscriptions etc.- If one has been listening closely to those French accents - you will have heard them say that MS will cover all these problems by the software "assessing" your Hardware - Internet - etc - and providing you with best you can expect. - ( and if you wish - for around $10 per month) However - the simple answer??? - for around $A600 (the current price of an X BOX ONE X) - You will be able to buy around Aug/Sept 2020 an X BOX TWO - (which is better than the best PC around $ 5000 - (I9 - 2080TI - SSI)) - and have the full quality sim. from MS. - In 4K HDR10. (in time for my 85th Birthday in Sept.) I currently use my X BOX one X for all the latest and fastest FPS games around - and my Max download speed is only 48MPS (6MBs) via Co - Ax Cable (our NBS) - I can go to 100 - but I've been doing this now since XBOX 1 X came out a year ago with Perfect 4K HDR10 resolution on my 43" NVIDIA driven TV set/monitor. I also have a game pass subscription for $A10.50 /month for a choice of any game on offer - and that's all it has cost me - in the same 12 months - except for a Thrustmaster Steering wheel for my F1 and Forza racing games - so maybe all I will need is the new X Box TWO I will probably keep both my XP and PR3D as well to make use of the A/C investments to date and especially my Oceana and TE Britain Orbx softwares Q.E.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianV Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 No doubt that MSFS2020 will be a new milestone in flightsim that I look forward to explore. The developers of existing sims also see these videos, and will continue to make improvements to their simulators. I think we will continue to have multiple sims to use each with their own benefits and shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the Swede in Spain Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Interesting comment, on a forum, from one of the testers. "Well, can't say anything specific about the product according to NDA, but let me put it this way, I strongly consider opting out of this test run." JJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennie Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 10:44 PM, Ken Q said: Amen to that!!! I use FSUIPC and Spad.NEXT for all but a few of my controls, and my setup does not use mouse or keyboard for anything once a flight is set up. So I have several controllers, with dozens of individual buttons, switches, etc. Just the other day Windows 10 did an "update" and it set all of the native FSX control settings to the "default" . That created double settings, consequently nothing worked right until I went into the FSX control menu and deleted all of the "joystick assignments.". It took over an hour. Wasted an afternoon of flying time! Ken Same problem for me. I have been rolling back to 1803 for about 6 months. Yesterday it won't let me roll back anymore. And my multipanel does not work with any update past 1803. Frankly I am sick of this problem. Why won't they give us an option to stay where we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_fish Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 It was mentioned here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patful Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 11/29/2019 at 8:09 PM, Jack Sawyer said: I have AT&T fiber right to the PC and I get 65 Mbps up and 62 Mbps down. What's the secret to getting comparable download/upload speeds? I have fiber/direct connection, 110 download, 11 upload. Doesn't matter where I live, what computer I'm using, or which modem, upload is never close to the download speed. Worries me that my upload speed will prevent decent performance on MSFS 2020. And yeah, I'm willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee. Reasonable is $10 per month for this poor cheapskate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renault Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, patful said: What's the secret to getting comparable download/upload speeds? I have fiber/direct connection, 110 download, 11 upload. Doesn't matter where I live, what computer I'm using, or which modem, upload is never close to the download speed. Worries me that my upload speed will prevent decent performance on MSFS 2020. And yeah, I'm willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee. Reasonable is $10 per month for this poor cheapskate. You might find this interview with the MS2020 team helpful information, especially with regard to internet speeds and user experience. Cheers Renault https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/568679-lanacioncomar-interview-with-neumann-and-wloch/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Sawyer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, patful said: What's the secret to getting comparable download/upload speeds? I have fiber/direct connection, 110 download, 11 upload. Doesn't matter where I live, what computer I'm using, or which modem, upload is never close to the download speed. Worries me that my upload speed will prevent decent performance on MSFS 2020. And yeah, I'm willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee. Reasonable is $10 per month for this poor cheapskate. I don't know Pat. I'm in Atlanta and on AT&T fiber optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banananav Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 As an old colleague of mine used to say “never fly the Mk 1 of anything”. As a predominantly tube liner flyer accurate high level weather, esp horizon cloud draw distance, is a priority. The limitations of P3D v4 in this respect are well known but ASN and ASCA go some way towards realism. I also find the seasonal OLC Eu and Aus v2, which are where I fly, are ideal. 4.6 MBPS internet download speeds in rural Lincolnshire are also a major factor. So I’m happy to sit back and see how MSFS2020 develops before I try it out. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_fish Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 MS2020 January 9th Update has been released here: https://www.flightsimulator.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumley Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Two points from my perspective Don't care about seasons. Don't have deciduous trees where I live and fly and it doesn't snow. It is fine as far as I'm concerned if there is just clouds and wind. However, having said the above, my current investment in P3D is gathering dust due to changed circumstances so I won't be investing in MF2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexthom Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Hmm! FSXXXX The revival,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdboomen Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 The video goes about audio, which is truly great, but man, what an imagery it was again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 By watching all these episodes I get more and more the impression, that the development of FS2020 is firmly in French hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbcdesign Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Hi All. First post in your forum. Personally I am very excited by FS2020. What I love more than anything about this hobby is the ability to fly in a virtual copy of the country I live in, the UK, and see what it looks like from the air. Flying over my house and seeing local landmarks, that was always my ultimate goal when I modelled in Gmax for FS2004. The more realistic the virtual sim world looks the more I love it. MS2020 promises to bring a level of realism that until now has not been possible without a great deal of hard work and expense. I love what Orbx has done for the UK its brilliant. In many ways it is what the VFR addons community was trying to achieve in 2004 but real earth lacks any option to customise an area and add unique buildings and features to improve it still further so its limited. So FS2020 is just eye candy? Well certainbly the scenery is a big part of it but I think its clear when watching the videos that FS2020 will be far more than just that. They are modelling weather, volumetric clouds, turbulence and airflow around buildings and over terrain in more detail than any sim has ever done before. This is all a simmers dream in my opinion. The closer we get to reality, the closer we get to feeling as if we are really flying and when VR screen technology gets where it needs to be, the world will be our oyster. As for seasons, I never was that impressed with seasons anyway. The ground textures don't change, just the 3D trees and it was never possible to make the whole landscape look as the real world does in Autumn, it was a half way house option at best. That said the new snow feature shown in the recent FS2020 video looks very impressive so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoCares Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 3:01 PM, bvdboomen said: The video goes about audio, which is truly great, but man, what an imagery it was again! Indeed! The audio is going to be great but man, those in game clips... totally awesome! The video began with a few real life clips and it took me a few seconds to realize the next clip was not real but sim...! There are quite a few clips that had me wondering if it was real or not. Totally awesome. MSFS is going to rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbcdesign Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Yes, I too had to look really hard. It is getting to a point where they need to put some text on screen telling us what is real and what is simulator. Maybe it's a bit more obvious on a larger screen but it isn't on mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_fish Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 23 hours ago, cbcdesign said: First post in your forum. Welcome to the forums. I agree that what we have seen so far will make for some very immersive VFR experiences. I understand that the MS team will shortly be presenting on the IFR capabilities of the new sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksfpred Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I cant wait for this, no matter how you look at it P3d / FSX engine is over a decade old - the only thing worrying me, is they are making it compatible for consoles and in my experince thats never a good thing for PC owners of the same title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merowinger Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 1:11 PM, Flamingpie said: There are quite a few clips that had me wondering if it was real or not. The same for me. Only after see moving the lever inside the airplane I was told that I'm watching the simulator. Incredible! mfg Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wain71 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 seems to be some good PR to, lots of updates, getting everyone talking and showing how it's all being done.....be interesting to see how it plays out on your average PC with average internet...but it does look fantastic..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 1:15 PM, uksfpred said: I cant wait for this, no matter how you look at it P3d / FSX engine is over a decade old - the only thing worrying me, is they are making it compatible for consoles and in my experince thats never a good thing for PC owners of the same title. "Over a decade old" is very friendly said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetite Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 5:15 AM, uksfpred said: I cant wait for this, no matter how you look at it P3d / FSX engine is over a decade old - the only thing worrying me, is they are making it compatible for consoles and in my experince thats never a good thing for PC owners of the same title. They will build it for PC first, then port it over to consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Hello, I have removed the last few posts. Comment on facts about the new simulator are welcome, speculation on Microsoft company policy is not for these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadtom65 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Hi guys please be careful on what you say on this post as Orbx will close it if any body posts derogatory comments on here. We are lucky that they have allowed us to have this section to speak about the new Microsoft Fltsim so please be careful. Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merowinger Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 ORBX always were and is a progressive company. They always were pioneers in using new technology for making stunning and groundbreaking sceneries. So I am sure they are as excited for the new sim as we are too. Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello, I have removed the last few posts. Comment on facts about the new simulator are welcome, speculation on Microsoft company policy is not for these forums. Nick -- G'day You see a very disappointed - long standing Orbx customer - and I realise that you will use your veto to to block this - and after you do - please message me - and tell me where in my last memo - anything I said was "Speculation" What I said was fact - that I do use subscription for my X Box - and will do so for MS 2020 - when it is released to X Box in August /Sept - which is as stated by Microsoft in various places will be by subscription. I won't speculate on how many more simmers will be brought to the Orbx content - that will undoubtedly be included - and not speculated upon. Also --- as Stated --- I will continue to use - and add to - all my Orbx packages on my PC - as I have done for over 12 years to support an Australian company. Your Truly John T.Heaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Hello, you wrote this: Quote Just a query - Why?? - since it is very likely that this MS 2020 would be the first PC subscription - if it is offered - I think! As you are well aware, there has been no news on how the new simulator will be marketed and therefore any comment must be speculation. As I am sure you are also well aware, there is an entire forum at Avsim where speculation is rife and I am keen to keep comments here restricted to facts that Microsoft have released. A debate on how it might be paid for is therefore for somewhere else. What you do with X Box is, with all due respect, not relevant. I am sorry if you find this upsetting, it is not my intention to upset anyone but it is my intention to keep these forums, as far as is possible, free of speculation on the subject of "MS2020". To repeat myself again, comments and discussion of facts that have been announced is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heaton Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said: Hello, you wrote this: As you are well aware, there has been no news on how the new simulator will be marketed and therefore any comment must be speculation. As I am sure you are also well aware, there is an entire forum at Avsim where speculation is rife and I am keen to keep comments here restricted to facts that Microsoft have released. A debate on how it might be paid for is therefore for somewhere else. What you do with X Box is, with all due respect, not relevant. I am sorry if you find this upsetting, it is not my intention to upset anyone but it is my intention to keep these forums, as far as is possible, free of speculation on the subject of "MS2020". To repeat myself again, comments and discussion of facts that have been announced is welcome. Nick Thankyou for the courtesy of the reply - I fully understand your requirements! I assure you - I - and probably others - sometimes read elsewhere certain comments - Yes in Avsim - that are sometimes quite literal - and difficult to separate fact from fiction - especially as we all are very interested in what - after all - seems to be a leap technically in the sim world - not only flight sims - However - I promise - not to mention anything - unsubstantiated by Microsoft announcements - on here anymore. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_fish Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Nick Cooper said: entire forum at Avsim where speculation is rife Agreed, and that's why it is helpful to have a factual objective thread here. It's quite understandable that Orbx customers will want an 'Orbxcentric' -if that's a word - slant to the comments, for example to discuss how the talents at Orbx may contribute to any new sim. Presumably when/if Orbx produce compatible products with MS2020 there will be a dedicated sub-forum as for P3D XP etc. Meanwhile I do hope people are not put off discussing the facts here, despite the fact that those with most to say are under an NDA presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryisenor Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 The best part of the sound video was the increase in waves at San Francisco as the windspeed increased. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuisong Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, larryisenor said: The best part of the sound video was the increase in waves at San Francisco as the windspeed increased. Larry You are right Larry. I was very impressed with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hargreaves Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It will be interesting to see how the azure AI deals with the more obscure areas that we might fly over. I'm thinking about the level of detail and sheer amount of work that OrbX put into TEGB, so that all those hundreds of points of interest got the hand made treatment. That makes a tremendous difference to how recognisable city centres or landmarks are. Lots of us gave feedback on this forum about POIs in TEGB, and OrbX did a really good job with the patches that they released. Leeds for instance went from an unrecognisable generic area of autogen into a really faithful depiction of all the major buildings. Add that to the Leeds Bradford airport pack, and we are really well catered for in an area that doesn't have the global glamour of Seattle/San Francisco/NYC etc It seems a big leap of the imagination to see those less well known areas getting sufficient level of detail just through the AI/satellite imagery process. I don't know how clever robots are these days to do all this stuff. MSFS2020 looks like a really impressive project, and god knows it's about time flight sims made proper use of our hardware, but I see it living alongside the other sims and I still see plenty of life in the XP11-OrbX world for some time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 11:38 PM, larryisenor said: The best part of the sound video was the increase in waves at San Francisco as the windspeed increased. Larry Yes, this was amazing. But also the sounds of the waters are incredible. I just hope these sounds won't be hearable from within the plane. Not as it is in FSX and P3d, where you can hear the birds singing while sitting in the cockpit during approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfko Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 6:32 PM, John Hargreaves said: It seems a big leap of the imagination to see those less well known areas getting sufficient level of detail just through the AI/satellite imagery process. I don't know how clever robots are these days to do all this stuff. Maybe this is a chance for Orbx as an FS2020 third party developer to provide missing POIs and missing details etc., also for more abscure areas as you call them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertPilot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 6 hours ago, wolfko said: Maybe this is a chance for Orbx as an FS2020 third party developer to provide missing POIs and missing details etc., also for more abscure areas as you call them In MSFS 2020's January 16th update, they did announce an alpha SDK for 3rd party developers, and they indicated their eagerness to see what the 3rd party developers can create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_fish Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 To be fair, Nick appears to be doing his level best to keep discussion of the whole topic of MS2020 factual, and for all simulator platforms to discourage direct (and particularly unsupported) criticism. Your suggestion to ask Nick remove your post is sensible and understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulk Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 As I said from the beginning, if not suitable, please remove the post. My original post was genuine and if I have broken any rules then they were unintentional. All I ask is that people politely explain any errors we may make and remember we are not all experts on the forums and sometimes require help and guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handie Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, paulk said: All I ask is that people politely explain any errors we may make I think that's what Nick did, as always Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulk Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I have PM Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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