resolved scenery elevation issues after installing global vectors?

[timmo32]

Hello all,ive been installing my sim from scratch,i have all the orbx libries upto date and have ftx central v3 all up to date,now after installing fsx global vectors i have an elevation issue,and here is a screen shot of ymml melbourne airport on the runway 34 on the trike, before the install,everything was ok in the sim before i installed this vector product,so any advice would be greatly welcomed cheers.

2019-3-24_10-39-29-407.BMP

[timmo32]

I've un selected the the global vectors scenery files I'm my fsx simulator is back too normal?

[Doug Sawatzky]

Hi

 

Is it safe to assume your FSX is updated to SP2? And that you are referring to the payware YMML?

 

Have you installed the Australia region? Then open the Vector configurator and check the Australia Add-Ons under the “Settings” tab, then you can reactivate the Vector entries in your scenery library.

 

 

[timmo32]

 Thankyou fpr your reply As far as I know everything is upto date

[Nick Cooper]

Please disable Vector AEC for YMML.

 

 

[timmo32]

Gday guys and thankyou for replys,nick your remedy with ymml,with global vectors has worked thankyou,tho I havent tried any other airports yet as I've been very busy running my business,tho I've noticed that at night arround ymml i get a black arround the airport texture images?now what could be the issue here?and I thankyou so much for your help 

[Nick Cooper]

The black textures could be as a result of applying the free fix for the Preview Direct X 10?

 

[timmo32]

Gday nick thankyou for your reply on this,how would i tell if this fix has been applied?i havent as far as i know installed any preview x10 fixes?thanks.

[Nick Cooper]

It's just a suggestion as it has been the cause before.

There is no way apart from your memory to know if it has been applied.

Try the Direct X 9 mode and see if the textures return to normal.

[timmo32]

Gday guys and thankyou for replys,nick your remedy with ymml,with global vectors has worked thankyou,tho I havent tried any other airports yet as I've been very busy running my business,tho I've noticed that at night arround ymml i get a black arround the airport texture images?now what could be the issue here?and I thankyou so much for your help 

[timmo32]

Gday nick thankyou very much for your help, and support I cant find the dx10 disabled function in fsx,I'm totally new too windows 10 and I've just up graded my GPU card too a nvidia geforce 1060 3gigs,I'm been a windows 7 user since I got into simming in 2008,but have been absent from the forum for a while since upgrading windows 10,my fsx airport loading times are extremely slow too,I have check the links you have recommended to solve the black square s in the other forums but the photos in the explanation are not available for viewing, I'm not a fan of dx10 and didnt ask for it when newly installing this software and orbs stuff with windows 10,but as I said,things have changed as I have not had very much experience with windows 10 cheers for any replys mate,and in the photo is a night flight at adelaide fsx airport with the water looking as bright as day,and ymml has black squares as in the previous pic,thanks again for any advice. 

[Nick Cooper]

Hello,

I wonder what version of FSX you have installed and whether you have

added either the two service packs or Acceleration?

[timmo32]

gday nick thankyou for your help on this,ive got microsoft flight simulator X gold edition,and acceleration installed,and it takes a long time too load into a flight,and i can see anywhere in the settings of the sim where it says dx10 or 9 ? would you think there would be a problem there ?

[Doug Sawatzky]

Hi

 

Does you FSX have the option circled in the below image?

[timmo32]

Thankyou doug for you help here,I'm familiar with dx10 and will never use it,tho it's not here?and I've never installed this stuff with windows 10,here is wat I'm seeing on the page you have provided  minus the dx10 stuff?

[Doug Sawatzky]

Thanks

 

And that is fine, you do not need to use DX10, and you can leave it unchecked\disabled, but the absence of the option in your settings indicate to me that you have not installed the Acceleration disk that came with your FSX Gold. 

 

Please install the Acceleration disk to update your FSX, so it is compatible with addons.

[Jethro VH-JET]

Hi Tim,

 

Nick & Doug are right, either you have not installed AccelerationPack or it has not been activated. You may even be in AccPack demo mode, are you getting an error popup after 30mins of freeflight. Did you complete the online registration with your AccPack product key, did you get the Activation popup after installation. You have recently switched from Win7 to Win10, if so you may need to edit the OS registry to correct the "Upper Filters" "PartMgr" entry for you to complete AccPack Activation. Nick or Doug may be able to locate and link you to one of my old posts in this regard, I cant seem to find it since the Sub forums have been changed recently, it was marked as a "Useful Tip" in Tips and tricks.

 

Another thought, you may also need to adjust your FSX Folders for full "Admin Permissions" and Exclude FSX Folders and Files from being scanned by your Antivirus Program.

 

The PreviewDX10 checkbox appearance is dependant on your Graphics Card capabilities, Graphics card Driver and DirectX versions & runtimes installed, and Graphics Acceleration settings, FSX install and SP1&2 or AccPack Activation.

DX9 is FSX's default Shader API as standard (ie; no SP1, 2 or AccPack) when SP's or AccPack is installed, PreviewDX10 checkbox is present, when un-checked you are in DX9 default mode.
 

You should see "X Acceleration" in Gold lettering as below if installed correctly and activated.

 

[timmo32]

Gday guys,I'm so thankful too nick,doug,and Jeff for your support,Jeff I put the acceleration disc in the DVD drive and run the installer and I have the product key from my flight simulator x and accelerator pack,,it is saying everything is ok and it is not asking for the product key,??, tho when I load up fsx I get a msg saying it wasn't registered?but when I click the prompts in too fsx,it loads quicker before, I ran the acceleration disc and dx10 now shows up in the settings menu its disabled too dx9,windows 10 stuff is new too me tho I'm thinking I should refer back too windows 7 as I had no issues with this fsx installing stuff?,if i can i will also provide a pic from adelaide airport during the day of car traffic driving on the land without roads,as for windows 10 permissions and stuff with fsx I'm not sure,my fsx install is on drive c, it's a 1TB ssd drive ??cheers for your help the first pic is the registry issue and the second is the cars driving on no roads,?? Arround adelaide airport?thankyou for your help guys.

[Nick Cooper]

Hello,

here is your answer

 

 

[Jethro VH-JET]

Thankyou Nick, much appreciated that's the posted topic I was looking for, shame my picture has gone AWOL since FSFiles nolonger exists I'll post another pic for Tim below.

 

Hi Tim
Indeed that error message 1-80004005 indicates that you have a problem with AccPack Activation and are infact running in FSX Demo mode. If you go to the page Nick has linked go to post #2 or direct here >>> https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/130180-if-you-cannot-activate-fsx-or-acceleration/?do=findComment&comment=1158687 
You will see instructions mirroring the picture below, which will allow you to properly Activate your Acceleration Pack. Unfortunately the original picture of the registry is missing from that post so I will post the original directly below .

 

If you like, could you post a picture of the UpperFilters dialog once you have found the correct Key {4D36E967-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} double clicked the UpperFilters Key to make edit, only a suggestion because others have found more than one strange entry for this Value there must only show PartMgr  note the spelling and capitalised P & M

 

Once you make this registry edit, exit the Regedit panel you must restart your PC then have your 25 character AccPack key handy,  make sure you are internet connected, Start FSX and complete the online AccPack activation.

Once your activated it might not be a bad idea to reinstall your Orbx titles, since the original Orbx install did not have the pre-requsite FSX SP's or AccPack properly activated.

 

[timmo32]

Gday jeff thankyou so much for your help on this mate i really appriecaite this,now i got the activation sorted as fsx loads up with no error msgs now but takes about 30/40 seconds too get there now tho how do i correct the orbx titles?at adelaide airport im getting cars on the green the lawn?its default fsx therei dont know if this is related too the orbx vectors ? thankyou too all for your help,ive still got the rest of the orbx stuff too install but dont want it going belly cheers.

[Jethro VH-JET]

That's ok, glad the AccPack activation is sorted.
Its not unusual for the loading progress to become slower once you have a few addons installed 30-40 seconds is about normal for most, though it can be longer if you are loading a into a highly detailed airfield, and have extreme dense autogen and AI traffic. This should not necessarily be the case at YPAD because it is still very much default except where Orbx enhance the surrounding terrain and airfield structures. It is noticeable in your picture that the surrounding terrain is missing all vegetation and that you have a very sparse population of houses and other building types and the dual carriage highway (roads) are missing, (perhaps this is intentional in your slider settings or Vector settings).

If you have already installed FTX Australia and have your scenery sliders set per Orbx recommendations, you should see what is shown in the pictures below.
If you have re-enabled FTX Vector entries in your Scenery library you should follow Doug's advice from post #3, also going into the Vector configurator and checking the box for "I also have FTX Australia" or something to that effect. Set your scenery sliders accordingly in FSX for the best possible scenery detail your hardware will allow. FTX Australia should be the active region if you have checked that checkbox in the Vector Config.

I am not a Vector user so it might be best if you ask Doug or Nick for some suggestions if what I have written does not bring better results around YPAD and Australia in general.

 

From a similar vantage point looking down the perimeter roadway at YPAD

 

https://i.postimg.cc/2yqGxzrH/2019-3-30-1-59-34-64.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/YSbxK4Sn/2019-3-30-1-59-55-104.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/d13jqqkq/2019-3-30-2-0-30-456.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/XJPcqTd9/2019-3-30-2-1-23-628.jpg

 

 

 

 

[timmo32]

8 hours ago, Jeff Gilmour said:

That's ok, glad the AccPack activation is sorted.
Its not unusual for the loading progress to become slower once you have a few addons installed 30-40 seconds is about normal for most, though it can be longer if you are loading a into a highly detailed airfield, and have extreme dense autogen and AI traffic. This should not necessarily be the case at YPAD because it is still very much default except where Orbx enhance the surrounding terrain and airfield structures. It is noticeable in your picture that the surrounding terrain is missing all vegetation and that you have a very sparse population of houses and other building types and the dual carriage highway (roads) are missing, (perhaps this is intentional in your slider settings or Vector settings).

If you have already installed FTX Australia and have your scenery sliders set per Orbx recommendations, you should see what is shown in the pictures below.
If you have re-enabled FTX Vector entries in your Scenery library you should follow Doug's advice from post #3, also going into the Vector configurator and checking the box for "I also have FTX Australia" or something to that effect. Set your scenery sliders accordingly in FSX for the best possible scenery detail your hardware will allow. FTX Australia should be the active region if you have checked that checkbox in the Vector Config.

I am not a Vector user so it might be best if you ask Doug or Nick for some suggestions if what I have written does not bring better results around YPAD and Australia in general.

 

From a similar vantage point looking down the perimeter roadway at YPAD

 

https://i.postimg.cc/2yqGxzrH/2019-3-30-1-59-34-64.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/YSbxK4Sn/2019-3-30-1-59-55-104.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/d13jqqkq/2019-3-30-2-0-30-456.jpg

 

https://i.postimg.cc/XJPcqTd9/2019-3-30-2-1-23-628.jpg

 

 

 

 

thankyou so much for your help jeff and orbx team,i will check these settings and report back a little later as ive got too go too work,and jeff your pictures are awesome,i hope i can get my scenery sorted tho with all the great help from this forum im sure i will thans a million

[timmo32]

Gday gents,once again thankyou so much for your help and doug,ticking the box in the ftx vectors has fixed the roads issues in the pictures so thankyou,doug,nick,jeff  and jeff are you running high autogen in your sim? and im looking at installing JV enb series,is there any special way too do this thanks :).

[Jethro VH-JET]

Hi Chris,

 

Sounds like you are making progress, how is your Autogen vegetation and buildings. I have my Autogen slider set to Extremely Dense, with NO tweaks for these 2 lines in FSX.cfg TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=  TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=  I have not used these Autogen control entries for many years now.

 

I use JV's Purple Haze EMB, have done for quite a while now, it gives a warmth to the graphics and depth to the sky that really does enhance the sim graphics.

You might also like to look into installing NVPI (Nvidia Profile Inspector) I have found this very useful for exclusively controlling/enhancing  AA & AF within FSX.

 

As far as JV's EMB series Purple Haze, it is relatively simple installation, You only need Download the JV_ENBSeries_Purple_Haze_V2.zip, (make sure it's the v2 version JV did a much improved gradient for the enbpalette.bmp)  extract,  copy or move the d3d9.dll     enbseries.ini  &  enbpalette.bmp  into your FSX root folder (Main Folder), no need to make any alterations to the .ini file, JV did a nice job balancing the settings.

If you need to see the difference/enhancement over unenhanced EMB JV's PH makes to your sim, make sure your keyboard "F-Lock" is on, then use the Shift+F12 key combo to toggle EMB on or off. 
You should be good to go, provided you don't experience d3d9 CTD's. The other thing to note with EMBSeries, is that it won't work in DX10 mode, it is only used in FSX/ DX9 default mode.

Hope that helps a little, I remember you had your sim setup quite well and had many fine dramatic scenes & weather shots in the SS forum, it can take a while to re-balance the sim to your liking,  you'll get there.

[timmo32]

Gday jeff thankyou so much for your help with everything,:) all is going well with fsx and orbx products,i cant find jv,2 enb stuff?in the forum ,tho once found where do i insert the extra stuuff too allow the enb to wok thankyou mate

 

[Jethro VH-JET]

Here ya go Chris, Post#23 here:  https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/53501-jvs-2013-enbseries-purple-haze/?do=findComment&comment=474202   this is John's post where you can D/L the V2 version, perfect for FSX.

If you were to read John's opening post #1 at the above link, it has the original Purple Haze ENB download, originally called "Sepia" it was compatible with FSX & P3D v1 it also has the prescribed installation instructions.

But more simply unzip the  JV_ENBSeries_Purple_Haze_V2.zip to a temp folder, inside you will find these 3 files ( d3d9.dll   enbseries.ini   enbpalette.bmp )  copy them directly into your FSX main folder (FSX Root installation folder), installation done!!!   > Start FSX enjoy.  

 

I hope this was the extra stuff you were speaking of, or was there something else?

[timmo32]

Good morning jeff thankyou so much for your help on here with everything,now with the enb install,when you say fsx root folder is the fsx cfg folder is located?,and do i just copy and paste the 3 entries from jvs enb into there?so too sound dumb here lol

[Jethro VH-JET]

Hi Chris,

 

The FSX Root Folder is the directory where FSX installation folders and files are written upon installation, depending on where you chose to install, (hopefully not in the default Program Files (x86) location) but on a separate drive or in a directory outside the protected OS folders. example; mine is located in  G:\FSX
It is the location where the FSX.exe file is located, that is the root or Main FSX folder directory.
If you are unsure exactly where that is, search your PC (explorer file search) for  FSX.exe  and/or  right click on the FSX.exe icon on your desktop, select properties > then on the shortcut tab, select open file location, that is the FSX root/main directory where the 3 EMB files should be copied into. 

 

If you have mistakenly placed them into the C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX  folder  where fsx.CFG  is located   please remove them.

[timmo32]

Gday jeff thankyou yet again for your help,i made the mistake in installing fsx on the c drive my bad is it a bad thing ? i know files load quicker on a seperate drive tho im running ssd samsung 860 evo 1 TB ,i got the fsx enb and its fantastic installed and its great thanks too JV and his work,ive always installed fsx on another drive but have been absent from the forum since 2013,and overlooked it my sim seems too too be running smooth so far,now im trying too put the latest rex stuff on there now and with window 10 and the firewall stuff its fun and games.

[Jethro VH-JET]

Hi Chris,

 

Sounds like you've sorted your EMB install good work!!  Though now we seem to be straying way beyond the original topic. If you need to discuss other aspects of your setup perhaps start a new topic in the appropriate sub-forum, that way the topic titles will match their solution content.

 

Is it a bad thing to install your sim into the OS Protected folder directory.

Let me just say it this way, sorta yes  and sorta  no.  Although ultimately as time goes by and your simulator addons grow and become more complex it will become a definite yes.

 

Many users have installed into the default location that the Original FSX disks would usually install into. This is because FSX was produced during era of (WinXP 32bit Home ) mostly and Win Vista, unless you could afford the 64bit version, where these protected folders did not exist per se', the issues therefore relating to file permissions and read/write to config files were not as prevalent as they now are in the later Win7 Win8 & Win10 64bit Operating Systems protected Folder structure. Add also to that the new feature "UAC" and you have administrative permissions hell.  We all switch this feature off now when installing our sim software.
Often in earlier times (an older WinXP 32bit OS) a software developer might advise that his software alone must reside outside the Program Files file structure and that of the FSX installation folder also.
It is only in recent times, since Win7/64bit that there is a consensus, that the best option for install of your simulator is on a Dedicated drive either HDD or SSD whichever suits your purposes.  There is insignificant noticeable difference to your sim on an SSD other than slightly better load times. However the OS can definitely benefit from installation on an SSD.  I don't have an SSD to know this for sure, but I do trust the experts on the matter, my sim runs just fine on HDD's.
The other option if you have only your OS drive as primary installation and addon install location, would be to custom install to a folder on the C: drive,  for example; C:\FSX   or C:\FlightSimulatorX   do not use the Program Files or Program Files (X86) default location. And yes there are also FSX folders or parts of the sim which must install on the C: drive regardless of where the Root installation resides, but they are not Protected folder locations in the same way as the Program Files & Program Files (x86).

 

Having said all that, many users have experienced very few issues relating to their choice of installation into the Default folder structure Protected OS folder directories in a 64bit modern OS, although there is no real evidence to support this belief, they would maybe never know or declare if there was a problem due to this installation choice and the administrative permissions problems it may create way down the track.

My personal experience many years ago, when I had originally installed FSX into my old WinXP 32bit OS was trouble free (Admin permissions wise) although hardware performance was on struggle street, I had very few glitches. Only one program advised me to install outside the Program Files directory, that was FSC7 (FlightSimCommander7)

Then I upgraded to Win7 /64bit with some better hardware (completely new rig, my current spec machine), with a fresh install of FSX to the you guessed it, Default location C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Flight Simulator X  Things seemed to go smoothly for quite a while, but my sim was becoming more complex, as well as the need for unobstructed two way Admin access of config file reads and writes.  My poor sim had become conbobulated, and had begun to show signs of corruption.  
It was determined by a long time Orbx team member with greater insights than I had at the time, that the default install location was the cause of many of my then issues. 
A complete fresh install would be needed, only this time onto a Dedicated Sim drive, I chose a WesternDigital Blue 1Tb HDD 7200rpm with good onboard cache with highest  I/O seek and transfer speed I could buy at that time 2014-2015. My sim has now been running FSX Gold AccPack + Win7/64Pro with many addons error free since that time, some 5-6 years now.

Does it matter, is it bad, Ummmmmm well, for me the answer was yes. You may get better mileage but Win10 is not for me either.

[timmo32]

Good morning jeff and thankyou once again for your detailed response,and yes this topic is solved thanks too you guys and yourself,since i have sorted all the issues out and with tons of orbx scenery installed this new hard drive is super quick load times  i have had fsx installed on a seperate drive in the past,and i really have not notice too be honest any difference,tho i have disabled UAC in windows 10,tho im totally new too windows 10 with the sim  so im hoping fsx will be ok with windows 10,tho if all goes belly up i will have too do a reinstall it on a seperate drive,tho i will see how it goes and times will tell but once again thankyou,:)