Neil Hill Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Hi All, With the southern section of OLC_NA not all that far away I thought I'd ask for our users to note in this thread any FSX airports that don't fit the "Vector" landscape. This assumes you have Vector installed with it's updated lakes, shorelines, roads, etc. I'm sure there are many of these "misfits" are out there and there's no way I will be able to spot them all, but I can generally correct the airports which I would like to do so our enjoyment of the upcoming OLC_NA will be as satisfying as possible. An example of a "missfit" airport is UT68, shown here as a before and after revision. This revision of UT68 is part of Freeware Pack 25. Cheers, Neil 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregJ Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Not necessarily a misfit but would like to see my hometown airport CBS8 get some love....it recently made the news as it is about to get a 1000' extension so larger planes can land there. Wayne Coulson - owner of the famous Martin Mars water Bombers has a base there for his 2 plane fleet of converted C-130' s for firefighting....incidentally - for those of you who know me - know I write passionately about the Martin Mars - of which one is moving to Pensacola's Air Museum soon; the other of which - sadly, due to partisan based political funding has lost it's contract to the aptly named ConAir. - http://www.albernivalleynews.com/news/370162631.html?mobile=true The contract was awarded for an as of yet un-tested, un-built plane......unbelievable..... Edited February 26, 2016 by GregJ change of link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny Eicher Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Lol UT68 was going to be my first request Neil. Thanks so much for taking this on. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Hi Greg, CBS8 is part of PNW so would need to be fixed as part of a Service Pack for that region. @Ronny- you, or someone, suggested it for a freeware airport but it makes a good example of how misplaced some of the FSX airports are, generally small ones but they are really noticeable with the vastly increased accuracy of the "Vector" files. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketwatch50 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 There is a problem with KABQ. This started with some Orbx revision. taxiway and runway signs are duplicated and parking spots go through buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neucoas Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Wow! What a great support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda425 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Very good project Neil. When I get to see some of those fields I'll sure post them here. Greetings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Hi pocketwatch50, I took a quick look at KABQ and see none of your issues. I have Global and Vector installed and that is all ORBX has available for that area. Possibly a non ORBX file for KABQ active as well as the default FSX airport. However, this thread is for noting "misfit" airports, not airports with issues, but thanks anyway. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPL Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thank you very much for doing this, Neil! Here (with screenshots) are some airports that I found that may fit into the "misfit" category. The issues with some of these airports are minor (I debated whether to include some of them because of this), while others are more severe. 6A5 - Warf Airport - Reidsville, NC (Not only is this a "misfit" airport, but it is also modeled in a rather bizarre fashion in default FSX when compared with the real airport.) http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KE 8A6 - Wilgrove Air Park - Charlotte, NC (This airport may not technically fit into the "misfit" category; the issue with it isn't immediately obvious. The problem shown in the screenshot below is that the airport is located south of the roads and railroad cutting through the airport clearing. In real life, the airport is located to the north of these roads and railroad.) http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KR 14A - Lake Norman Airpark - Mooresville, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KW http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kd 28A - Goose Creek Airport - Indian Trail, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Ks 43A - Montgomery County Airport - Star, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kw KCBE - Greater Cumberland Regional Airport - Cumberland, MD http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kz http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6K4 http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kj KCTZ - Clinton-Sampson County Airport - Clinton, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kx KDKX - Knoxville Downtown Island Airport - Knoxville, TN http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6K5 KDWU - Ashland Regional Airport - Ashland, KY http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kc http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Ke http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KD KECG - Elizabeth City Coast Guard Air Station/Regional Airport - Elizabeth City, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KP KHKY - Hickory Regional Airport - Hickory, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KY KHNZ - Henderson-Oxford Airport - Oxford, NC (The runway at this airport was also extended recently.) http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KZ KHTS - Tri-State Airport/Milton J. Ferguson Field - Huntington, WV http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Ko http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6K7 KJQF - Concord Regional Airport - Concord, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KU http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6KX KLSE - La Crosse Regional Airport - La Crosse, WI http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6Kv KMWK - Mount Airy/Surry County Airport - Mount Airy, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6h6 http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hG KONX - Currituck County Regional Airport - Currituck, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hN KRHP - Western Carolina Regional Airport - Andrews, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hT KROA - Roanoke-Blacksburg Regional Airport/Woodrum Field - Roanoke, VA http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6h0 KSIF - Rockingham County NC Shiloh Airport - Reidsville, NC http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hF W63 - Lake Country Regional Airport - Clarksville, VA http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hJ http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hS W96 - New Kent County Airport - Quinton, VA http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/G6hm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thank you BPL, I've added these as the first group of airports to be looked at. The "fix" these may come in different packages, ie: degree of detail, but all will be taken care of. Cheers, Neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPL Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thank you very much for that, Neil! I may look around some other places to see if I can find some more to add here. Most of those that I listed were in North Carolina. I checked quite a few of the airports in NC, since that's my home state. I'll try to take a look at some other places, too, if I get a chance. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 Hi again BPL, I've done the first 5 on your list to see how hard these are to be. Not too bad. I'm thinking on how much upgrading of the buildings/objects I should do and I'll need to talk things over with JV to see what we could/should do. There are 100's of airports that may need to be "fixed" so it will make a difference in how much detail we give each of them. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPL Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Wow, you work fast, Neil! I can certainly understand if you need to limit the detail, considering the sheer number of airports that will need to be done. I just noticed that I made a mistake in my list above. I have on the list "KRHP - Western Carolina Regional Airport - Andrews, NC." That should actually be "1A5 - Macon County Airport - Franklin, NC." Sorry about that. It was late when I was making the list, and I was probably a little tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkterry Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Thanks Neil and BPL for their hard works. Good news for all simmers. Job well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjed Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Ashland KAVL, Runway 34 aircraft wheels sinking into runway. Please disregard. I just realized I was in slew mode. Wheels appear ok when out of slew mode. Edited March 7, 2016 by sjed Was in error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 No problem sjed, Besides Todd Harrell did KAVL as a FTXG freeware airport so I know it was updated already. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 On 2/25/2016 at 0:05 PM, Neil Hill said: Hi Greg, CBS8 is part of PNW so would need to be fixed as part of a Service Pack for that region. @Ronny- you, or someone, suggested it for a freeware airport but it makes a good example of how misplaced some of the FSX airports are, generally small ones but they are really noticeable with the vastly increased accuracy of the "Vector" files. Cheers, Neil Hi Neil, I will take a look at some in Alaska this week. In the meantime, CBS8 should be fixed by Pilots regardless of being in a region if it is incorrect with just vector and no region installed (it is). It is a vector problem and should be fixed as such. If there is also a problem when the region is installed, that is a totally different situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi Geezer, CBS8 is not a misfit airport but one the user would like to be updated to show an upcoming 1000' extension. I'll work on those that are really misfits. By the way I sent a number of "fixes" on to Bernd for a 1.40 Vector upgrade that's in the works. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi, I looked at it and it had a stream running under the strip but it didn't create a problem. So ok. Here are a few more and I'll do more later this week. 78K Yes Bay Lodge KTB Thorne Bay 13Z Loring I promised Nick I would no longer discuss that and I won't. But I will tell you a story. True story. There's an individual who has had a mesh business for several years. He has an excellent reputation among his customer base. About 5-6 months ago I bought my first mesh from him. It was 10m of the entire continental United States. What he did, he looked at every single airport, and there are a lot in the US, and if it had a plateau or ditch, he fixed it before the product was sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CED CYQR Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi Neil FSX Windows 10 NA NRM v150 misfits. CAJ3 Creston BC elevation misfit CYXC Cranbrook BC elevation misfit CAH4 Valemount BC elevation misfit CAV4 McBride BC elevation misfit CAA8 Invermere BC elevation misfit If you have time have look. Thank you CED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CED CYQR Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Screenshots for post ID20 misfits http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4r http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4t http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4Q http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4a http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4h Host http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CED CYQR Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Neil Don't know what to make of this pattern all else renders OK http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4M http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/GG4l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi CED, 1) Your issues with NRM airports seem to be the elevation adjustments in Scenery/World/Scenery aren't active. Try recycling FTX Central to Global and back to NA. 2) The weird patterns are cause by "grass" that isn't showing the texture, only the structure, I have no answer for that. And also this thread is for issues pertaining to Vector vs stock FSX airports that are non-fitting due to it's increased accuracy in roads, lakes and shorelines. @ Geezer, I've noted those airports to work on. Edit: Their finished, just looking into the best way to get them into Vector 1.40 Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi Neil, here are a few more. Unless I missed one or two, I've now checked all in the area. TKL Taku Lodge 5Z1 Juneau Harbor BQV Bartlett Cove Question - Do you know what all will be in the 1.40 update? OT question - I've seen that you are involved in making the freeware scenery. As you know several have been taken out so as not to conflict with payware programs. Most are from CA but also from AZ, NV and CO. Is it possible to get a copy of the freeware scenaries that have been discontinued? And thanks for your help. I tend to get crabby when frustrated so just ignore my crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hi Geezer, I'll do these last 3 and send them on. At present I don't know what all is in 1.40, sorry. Contact me directly via the "messages" envelope at the top of this page concerning the removed freeware airports. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaab Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hope it is not out of topic, but as John Venema wrote on March, 20th Quote We have been working on a service pack for Vector which in fact does rectify many airport locations worldwide which our more accurate coastlines orphaned, and this will be released in due course, when it's ready and has been tested. I would like to mention outside NA, SABA in the Netherlands Antilles. Gérard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Hobson Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 There are freeware and payware versions of SABA, all of which are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDF4 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Hi Neil, The airport at Eek Alaska (PAEE, but FSX lists it as EEK) is in the wrong place and the runway spans a river. The real airport has been moved and is now west of the city with a longer runway, so that's the location that's needed and not the older smaller airport. The current FSX airport is not in the correct place for either the old or new EEK airport though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaab Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 On 01/04/2016 at 2:54 AM, Stewart Hobson said: There are freeware and payware versions of SABA, all of which are fine. I am sorry, I checked various Saba free addon available through "Freeware Scenery List" and only one fits with Vector redefined coasts... Here the results for those interested... 1 - Original with Global + Vector + FreeMeshX 2 - With Saba.fsx addon 3 - With Sabadex.zip 4 - With SabaPhotoScenery.zip 5 - With TCNS.ZIP 6 - With Saba-1.zip 7 - Finally, only SabaFsx.zip give a realistic result with Global and Vector.... Cheers, Gérard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 Hi David, Thanks for the report, I'll put it at the western location. @GAAB, I've put SABA at it's correct location. All changes I've done and am now doing will be in Vector 1.40 which is currently in beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaab Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Sorry for the duplicate post. If a administrator could delete it... Thanks - Gérard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iahawkeyedds Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Canefield Airport Dominica icao: TDCF airport off coast submerged in ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 Hi all, I've fixed all that have been mentioned so far. Anything in the Americas is fair game to be fixed so long as it's a "misfit", those above all fall into that classification. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 3/31/2016 at 5:05 PM, Geezer said: Hi Neil, here are a few more. Unless I missed one or two, I've now checked all in the area. TKL Taku Lodge 5Z1 Juneau Harbor BQV Bartlett Cove Question - Do you know what all will be in the 1.40 update? OT question - I've seen that you are involved in making the freeware scenery. As you know several have been taken out so as not to conflict with payware programs. Most are from CA but also from AZ, NV and CO. Is it possible to get a copy of the freeware scenaries that have been discontinued? And thanks for your help. I tend to get crabby when frustrated so just ignore my crap. 1 hour ago, Neil Hill said: Cheers, Neil FWIW Taku Lodge is already done in the RTMM Scenery and prior to releasing Taku Lodge in real life was contacted to seek approval and RTMM was threatened with a law suit if it was released. After a long drawn out series of e-mails they finally realized this was for a freeware computer simulation and not for commercial use. Although the Global Airports are freeware they are connected to a commercial enterprise (ORBX). It may be prudent to check with Taku Lodge prior to doing the scenery. (PS: IRL there is no land airport at the location only float plane operations) RTMM also has done Juneau 5Z1 already. Although it is just a water runway the scenery is at PAKT so if you use ORBX PAKT that scenery will apply. Edited April 2, 2016 by spud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 Hi Spud, These 3 "airports" are all in truth FSX water runways and all I've done is move them into the water, no more. These are not "freeware" airports, they are fixes to issues caused by the much more accurate road, coastlines and lakes that Vector provides. Anyone who uses the RTMM scenery's are still able to use them so I don't see any issue with doing them. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Sounds good to me Neil. The two RTMM has done have water starting location already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgycgijoes Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I just recently finished doing a free version of NAS Alameda California circa 1970-1993. That airport has been closed since 1993 and runways and taxiways are closed. Its original designation was KNGZ and it is NOW NGZ officially in the FAA register as in FSX default and also in ORBX correctly. One of the members at the Sim Outhouse posted screenshots of ORBX NorCal scenery which you beautifully rendered (much better than I did being a very rank amateur airport designer) and certainly better than FSX mushy residential areas. My question is: If I were to purchase ORBX NorCal am I able to access NGZ and reactivate the runways and taxiways as I did with ADE1.65 in FSX? Below is my airport overlaying FSX default scenery. BTW, I downloaded that area of California from Bluesky Scenery and activated it in FSX but it "messes" with my airport so I removed it. I am not sure what ORBX scenery and my ADE1.65 NAS Alameda would do together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 Hi tgycgijoes, You can override our Alameda NAS using ADE, make sure you include an airport background exclude and match the altitude, NCA uses more accurate mesh. You may also have to remove the objects file (FTX_NCA_objects_NGZ_PLC) but I'm not sure about that and make sure your version is at a higher priority (adding it to your Addon Scenery should do the trick). However, this is a thread for reporting "misfit" airports so if you have more questions please contact me via the "messages" envelope at the top of this page, thanks. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cooper Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hello Neil, This has been added to the Vector forum, just for your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Hill Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Thank you Nick, Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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