Mawson

I have shelved MSFS for 12 months as it lacks a lot of features and I guess we will see how P3D improves over the next 12 months as well. I will be buying this as soon as it drops.

Missing out, go buy the academic version, it's the cheapest full functioned sim out there.

Why would this be the last, is there something you know?

Well so many people were claiming that MSFS was going to mean you did not need add on scenery, but here we are back where we started .

I am also somewhat cynical about the long term survival for this franchise based on the FSX and MS Flight experience. I am going to hang back and see how well it's received while they deliver VR and helicopter to the sim some time in the near future, I'll jump in then. The problem potentially as I see it is that MS does this soley to make money and their is no real passion for flight simming, which MS unlike say X Plane, which only does flight sims or an Aviation based Company Like Lockheed Martin, that does P3D or the IPACs guys with Aerofly, there is no passion at the "corporate" level, so if it doesn't fly high it may end up in the discount bin like FSX Gold. Time will tell. Now this is not a criticism of Asobo they obviously have the passion but they are no different to the Aces Studio , they will fly or they will be binned. This is not to say Orbx are not passionate either because clearly they also have a deep interest in flight simming as well as a business and in many ways they have kept the genre alive during the lean years with their wonderful add-ons, This is a good opportunity for Orbx to develop more content and I hope some of that spills over into the other sims and it doesn't just become focused on DLC selling to X Boxers, not much I can do about it than wait and see.

Hi Paul, I notice you have a helicopter as your picture and that you are new but do you realise MSFS 2020 has no helicopters? If you are chasing helicopters then I suggest Aerofly Fs2 and Orbx have a few nice add ons for Aerofly.

The only way I will buy MSFS without VR or a helicopter is if Jarrad puts Jandakot (YPJT) into the MSFS 2020 system, then I would have to buy in. I fly out of that airport and it's a work of art what he did.

I have to say I won't be buying into this franchise until they meet the deliverables they have promised later on this year so I am going to sit back for a while and see what happens. I am not sure buying from steam is such a good idea after my DCS experience as I found that I missed out on Beta versions and a lot of content could not transfer from the DCS marketplace to Steam. I am not convinced you should not buy it from MS store to avoid these sorts of issues.

Are they not just ported over versions from existing scenery for existing sims, so what's new other than a fee to pay for another of the same product? I have actually bought in some cases these airports three times, P3d, Aerofly and XPlane 11.

My experience with DCS was that while they all ( DCS and Steam) started off as friends but there is now some incompatibility between DCS DLC addons purchased through steam and those purchased through the DCS marketplace and I got a little burned there so I would wait and see how it will all actually work .

Absolutely not as there is no compatibility as this is a new sim, furthermore this is a new money tree for MS and I am not that confident until release that you will be able to do add ons outside their partner market places. On a side note with DCS there is incompatibility between DCS DLC addons purchased through steam and those purchased through the DCS marketplace and I got a little burned there so I would wait and see how it will all actually work.

Will the x platform discounts be permanent or just an opening special? I won't be buying into this new franchise until it has Vr and helicopters and few other functions so I won't be joining this franchise until they deliver what is being promised. I can't see a lot of difference in these screenshots from the other quality Orbx products already for the other sims. I thought this MSFS was going to be a lot better in terms of what the world looks like but I can't see anything more than a marginal improvement on the graphics from p3D v5.

100% agree and I fly real helis...

If I can make a suggestion just stick to the Huey, it's a very systems accurate representation of an old school turbine helicopter and with the same airframe you can fly utility (supply, air ambulance, troop missions or my favorite landing on a frigate in rough seas) or go hardcore with ground attack with rockets or guns . If you want to fast track go get 5 hours of lessons on a real r22(even an hour is worth it) and that is worth hundreds of hours of simming and will take you to a level you will never get to by just simming.

Yes please as I fly helis and DCS is by far the best simulator for helis IMHO. I fly real Helis as well and VR has made heli flight possible in ways I never thought could or would happen. Aerofly is also great but it's a dead world and very limited. P3D is simply hopeless when it comes to helicopters in general and when you add VR its close to useless . Xplane has wonderful flight dynamics but I find the world a bit cartoonish and again its not a great outcome for framerates in VR. Brings me back to DCS, the dynamics are very good though I dont fly a huey ( probably never will) so I cant comment in detail but it certainly handles like I would expect after the R22/44/66 I have flown . The plusses are the combat focus and multiplayer. The Grpahics are oputstanding and the frame rate is as good as Aerofly if not better in VR. The only downside is the lack of terrain but then again this is good becuase what they have got is outstanding especially the weather and oceans and landing on a ship is very realistic. Therefore if ORBX added a few extra terrains say for Washington or California (great areas for training) or Afghanistan or Iraq it would be awesome as we watch people adding missions for these terrains!

Wow I had no idea that Neil a was behind so much of the ORBX scenery, what a legacy. RIP